..: New Map :.. BlackLake Swamp

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 27 Oct 2006, 17:56

+1 to Quanto042... Its fine without a sky box.

aGorm

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 27 Oct 2006, 18:02

I wish I could do a "partial" skybox, with transparencies...

just so I could put trees on the horizion...

that'd be perfect...

a sky "ring" lol

maybe I'll look into the "far" features idea, and push them off the map..

and put some big trees out there...

I bet it ends up looking retarted thoguh

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 27 Oct 2006, 23:00

Why not have 4 "features" at each corner, that are "distant" tree-scapes, done in 3D? Just poster-boards. You could even extend this with some other tricks...

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 27 Oct 2006, 23:21

Argh wrote:Why not have 4 "features" at each corner, that are "distant" tree-scapes, done in 3D? Just poster-boards. You could even extend this with some other tricks...

DEAL!

I like that idea

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 28 Oct 2006, 02:39

But if you do that then it will realy mess up as the things will be so big and so far from there center points they will never be on screen when the center point is... it only realy workls for tjings Just off the map (like maybe a screen or so). Else the center (which wetrehr its visible or not is worked out from) is to far fromn teh object.

aGorm

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 28 Oct 2006, 08:37

aGorm wrote:But if you do that then it will realy mess up as the things will be so big and so far from there center points they will never be on screen when the center point is... it only realy workls for tjings Just off the map (like maybe a screen or so). Else the center (which wetrehr its visible or not is worked out from) is to far fromn teh object.

aGorm

I assure you, IT CAN BE DONE!

and well

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Oct 2006, 08:41

I'm not quite sure what to fizualize, as I am not really a mapper, but It SOUNDS cool!

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 28 Oct 2006, 11:21

And forboding btw - is that skybox cropped from that old Zelda promo?

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 29 Oct 2006, 11:04

A moderately beliveable skybox could be built with a bit of skill. Hell, even a couldy sky with a bit of a green color would work. The problem with the current skybox is mostly that it's a blue sky when you're using lots of green mist in the map. It's just unnatural to have fog and blue skys in the same view, that doesn't happen in real life, you either can't see the sky at all through the fog or the sky is clouded over.

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 29 Oct 2006, 11:16

And Skyboxes have no moving clouds... why not keep it that way.. - a good Skybox is same Modellworkhours as the Map.. Also don`t forget that the Land... beginns at 1/3 of the Side.. so that your trees are not growing out of the Ground like Mushrooms..

Quanto042 · Post by **Quanto042** » 29 Oct 2006, 15:37

SwiftSpear wrote:A moderately beliveable skybox could be built with a bit of skill. Hell, even a couldy sky with a bit of a green color would work. The problem with the current skybox is mostly that it's a blue sky when you're using lots of green mist in the map. It's just unnatural to have fog and blue skys in the same view, that doesn't happen in real life, you either can't see the sky at all through the fog or the sky is clouded over.

Did u actually try his map? It is very beleivable as it is. The blending and setup is very convincing. There are plenty of maps that would be better with a good skybox, but this one isn't one of them. Its at that artistic fine line between perfection and "one more touch of paint, or one more pencil line could ruin it".

Lathan, pls, for the love of god don't do it! Ur map is teh awesome. Don't take it down a notch.

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » 29 Oct 2006, 17:04

It's just unnatural to have fog and blue skys in the same view

Wrong!

I live in England, i know fog ^^

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 30 Oct 2006, 23:04

LathanStanley wrote:
I assure you, IT CAN BE DONE!

and well

No serisoly, that wont work. Try looking at one of your big trees from all angles... notice they suddenly disapear? If you gonna place features way off the map the center point will be nowere near the model, and as such how can you say it will work? 50% of the time the center point of the model and the actul model wont be on screen at the same time, so you wont see the model rendered. (much like when you look up to much at your trees and teh center point goes of the botom of the screen.)

Just suggesting youd be better off having trees just outside the map, as oposed to miles off.

aGorm

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 31 Oct 2006, 04:13

aGorm wrote:
LathanStanley wrote:
I assure you, IT CAN BE DONE!

and well
No serisoly, that wont work. Try looking at one of your big trees from all angles... notice they suddenly disapear? If you gonna place features way off the map the center point will be nowere near the model, and as such how can you say it will work? 50% of the time the center point of the model and the actul model wont be on screen at the same time, so you wont see the model rendered. (much like when you look up to much at your trees and teh center point goes of the botom of the screen.)

Just suggesting youd be better off having trees just outside the map, as oposed to miles off.

aGorm

Inside the SMD:

footprint_x= HUGE! 1000+ (visible from anywhere except pointing UP in the air
footprint_y= HUGE! 1000+ (visible from anywhere except pointing UP in the air
blocking = 0 (no blocking)
reclaimable = 0
indistructable = 1 (no reclaim, no kill, no nothing)

then put in upspring:

the center locations of the hitsphere at 1.2*10^38 th on each.. (unclickable, no mouseover) DUE NOTE!! that this high of a setting with instantly crash spring if the feature can be "auto-reclaimed" if a building is built over it, or in the non-blocking case, you draw a huge circle of reclaim... , use indistructable = 0 to fix the crash.. you HAVE to.. and leave the size of the sphere only large enough to encompass the feature itself, not the feature PLUS the distance to center I.E. (1000) ish... and set the height to the feature height.. and then just move it like, approx 30 footprint units, or however far you'd like it to be, off the center in the appropriate direction.

again, YES, its do-able.

I've spent some time farting with the settings... on those damn trees, and yeah, this will work, I assure you..

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 31 Oct 2006, 21:02

Ohhh... did they finaly change the code then? Dam them for not making it apparent. Large footprints.... gotca!

aGorm

Post by **jcnossen** » 31 Oct 2006, 22:40

No code was changed, or it must have happened accidentally...
I'm not even sure why this works, but if it does it's nice

VonGratz · Post by **VonGratz** » 01 Nov 2006, 01:02

OMG!Its fantastic! and Ive played with shadows without the troubles Ive spected due so much stuff.Its the hoverland paradise

The images are so good that I was killed while observing the landscape.
I vote for the Map of the Year!
VonGratz

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 30 Nov 2006, 23:06

Any updates on this map?

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 03 Dec 2006, 09:10

eventually...

I'm rather busy these days...

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 03 Dec 2006, 15:00

Thats good news, give me time to catch up on your most extravagant map lead....

(I am only kidding...)

aGorm

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