Gundam annihilation

Pxtl · Post by **Pxtl** » 28 Jun 2006, 18:42

To those who think anime is bad/for kids:

Go rent Cowboy Bebop (the whole series) and Neon Genesis Evangelion (the whole series). Bebop is like FireFly with jazz music, and Evangelion did to the giant robot genre what men like Alan Moore and Frank Miller did to superhero comics.

Deathblane · Post by **Deathblane** » 28 Jun 2006, 18:44

Err scratch Evangelion (the end, the terrible nonsensical end...), Watch Bebop and Planetes.

Pxtl · Post by **Pxtl** » 28 Jun 2006, 18:49

Deathblane wrote:Err scratch Evangelion (the end, the terrible nonsensical end...), Watch Bebop and Planetes.

I thought the End of Evangelion was pretty good (I mean the movie ending, not the ep 25/26 ending).

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 28 Jun 2006, 18:50

however, reguardless of the pointless anime-bash fest....

That has little to do with my mod. I could have made it generic battletech looking crap and you anime-haters would like it.

This about GAMEPLAY the mod is a GAME FIRST.... a RTS and lastly an anime inspired thing.

BITCH all you want but even IF I wanted TO I cannot include angst.

Arco · Post by **Arco** » 28 Jun 2006, 19:04

SinbadEV wrote:You also get a lot of emotionally tormented young men trying to find their place in this crazy world with giant robot anime... any exceptions to that?

Gundam 0008, 08th MS Team, Jinki:Extend, Martian Successor Nadesico, Maze, Magic Knights Rayearth (well, the last two are only halfway giant robot shows), off the top of my head. But the important thing is that the Gundam mod does not include emotionally tormented young men trying to find their place in this crazy world, now does it? What does this have to do with the Gundam mod? Seriously.

Bitching about anime with little knowledge of anime is dumb enough, bitching about it in a thread where it's totally irrelevant to the material is slightly dumber.

Especially because (despite smoth's best intentions) a game of Gundam really does not feel like the actual show, which contained a largely more realistic war of key strategic facilities being targeted and so on. A game where you can just pop up another building in two minutes is entirely different although the mechs themselves are reasonably on-target. The Gundam mod is a "Gundam inspired" mod, and is pretty far removed from the original entity. Thus, transferring your feelings from one onto the other is just silly.

Cheesecan · Post by **Cheesecan** » 28 Jun 2006, 19:51

Pxtl wrote:
Cheesecan wrote:I think a mod like Gundam appeals mainly to anime otakus and not really to the general public, I feel no attraction to the whole Gundam theme and I group Gundam into the whole Pokemon/transformers/tamagotchi thing created to exploit young consumers by spawning shitloads of toys and franchise from what is imho a pretty boring concept of robots transforming into bigger robots and killing eachother.

It's a real pity because you did a great job on the art, I just wish you had done something more meaningful than a Gundam mod with all that time and energy. Perhaps you should create something unique?
This is unfortunate, as Gundam has always been a very serious, adult anime. While fancruft is fancruft, I put Gundam much more in the realm of Star Wars and Battletech than kiddie cartoons.

Well I wouldn't play a Star Wars/Battletech mod either, as I feel these themes and settings are done for by now, and have been for some time.

Star Wars has been around since 1977, way before I was born. It and LOTR are starting to become like the stupid hit songs that keep rising up every summer, with the exception that they just wont die.
I've passed this stage, and do simply not find such things desirable, just like I don't listen to radio pop like I did when I was 7.

I realize that those really into anime will disagree with what I have to say, and I accept this very well, I'm just giving smoth my personal reasons for why I believe he/she(?) should direct creative juices toward more rewarding pursuits, such as creating something brand now on her/his own.
You're hardly the first person to create a Gundam mod for a game, and although it may captivate a few fans it will definately not appeal to the broader audience, which does not share your passion. One could liken it to starting a boutique for new age healing stones..likely not very successful.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 28 Jun 2006, 20:03

acctually the new age healing stone stores in my neibourhood sell very well...

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 28 Jun 2006, 20:16

Cheesecan wrote: I realize that those really into anime will disagree with what I have to say, and I accept this very well, I'm just giving smoth my personal reasons for why I believe he/she(?) should direct creative juices toward more rewarding pursuits, such as creating something brand now on her/his own.
You're hardly the first person to create a Gundam mod for a game, and although it may captivate a few fans it will definately not appeal to the broader audience, which does not share your passion. One could liken it to starting a boutique for new age healing stones..likely not very successful.

My mod when I started it was the only one of it's kind.

Gundam century is a starcraft hack/sprite replacement. Gundam Universe still has not been released. Gundam homeworld was in it's infancy and still is largely incomplete.

I am the only one who has suceded. The gundam homeworld mod will be stuck with the same issues it has now. There is a mod being made for starwar battlefront(I believe is it's name) that is seed and it is not near complete. You don't want me to even get start on the Xenoforce mod.

I am doing this because there IS NO gundam rts, THERE IS NO completed mod. So no I am a first. I would know, because if there was another option I WOULD BE PLAYING IT instead of making this mod.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 28 Jun 2006, 20:22

smoth wrote:I am doing this because there IS NO gundam rts, THERE IS NO completed mod. So no I am a first. I would know, because if there was another option I WOULD BE PLAYING IT instead of making this mod.

If you don't mind a digression, it's absolutely amazing that the TA community has managed to finish not one but two fan-based total conversions. (Gundam and Star Wars) That's pretty much unprecedented, as they usually die half-completed.

Erom · Post by **Erom** » 28 Jun 2006, 20:23

+1 to that!

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 28 Jun 2006, 20:29

*image removed for thread's sake*

Egarwaen wrote:That's pretty much unprecedented, as they usually die half-completed.

qft

Guessmyname · Post by **Guessmyname** » 28 Jun 2006, 21:26

*having just played Gundam vs NTai*

Hmm. The voices annoy the hell out of me, and the anims are a bit stiff, but that's just visuals.

Tha AI failed miserably (I had a small army of about 50 mechs and over 100 bombers whilst they had about 10 mechs spread all over the place and 15-ish factories on a nanostall.)
Not your fault though, and NTai will improve.

The models + texturing = aceness

Having only played it once vs a lack-lustre opponent, I can hardly comment on the balance of things, other than bomber swarming is very easy.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 28 Jun 2006, 21:36

yeah... seriousely... maybe we can help you with some unlame voice acting... also I get that bug someone mentioned about noise going crazy and then getting really loud scratchy glitchy noisy thing... but I've had issues with spring and that for a long time, I blame my crappy onboard sound card. It's just worse with yours for some reason... my guess is your sound samples are longer so there is a better chance of collision...

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 28 Jun 2006, 21:38

Guessmyname wrote: Hmm. The voices annoy the hell out of me, and the anims are a bit stiff,

Any voice/animation in particular or just all of them?

Are they anoying because they are repititious?

Are they stiff by ta standards? Gundam standards?

Guessmyname · Post by **Guessmyname** » 28 Jun 2006, 21:47

The models are good but the walk anims are stiff!

With the sound, they're repetitive and the voices are horrid and make me want to stab things (on par with the battle droid voices in Star Wars Ep: III)

Also: enlarge the groundplate of the Fed bomber. I can't tell if I've selected the unit or not!

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 28 Jun 2006, 21:56

Guessmyname wrote: The models are good but the walk anims are stiff!

I'll do what I can but don't epect it soon.

Guessmyname wrote: With the sound, they're repetitive and the voices are horrid and make me want to stab things (on par with the battle droid voices in Star Wars Ep: III)

Why are the voices horrid? Is is causing audio chirp? is it too loud? You are the first person to not like them most people like them. So I am very interested in why.

Guessmyname wrote: Also: enlarge the groundplate of the Fed bomber. I can't tell if I've selected the unit or not!

spring does that to the aircraft.. It is set correctly.. they do some kind of weird size halfing. I am not sure if there is a way to undo what the spring devs have done.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Jun 2006, 21:57

Well the voice's are fine by me, aside from the annoying as all hell Level One Constructor for the Feds. Its too nice and happy and easy to please. I mean, its a constructor. It should be a fourty odd year old, cain smoaking, beer gut having grumpy guss who is angry at you because you've interupted his fiftyith coffy break of the day.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 28 Jun 2006, 22:03

I was thinking about the happy scv from starcraft when I did it.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Jun 2006, 22:06

I hate those guys too. So I usualy send them out to die at the hands of the Zerg!

Aun · Post by **Aun** » 28 Jun 2006, 22:12

smoth wrote:Gundam wing, is meant to be popular with the kiddies as are ZZ gudam, G gundam and SD gundam are for kids.

And therefore horrible compared to the Universal century series...

I really like the new sniper animation and only just noticed the random models for certain buildings...

Oh yeah, I've noticed that the DOM can have trouble getting out of factories.

The gatling shields on the Goufs seem too powerful as well...

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Gundam annihilation

Gundam is not my cup of tea because:

Dear anime-deprived people