what can see cloaked units?

duncs · Post by **duncs** » 24 Mar 2006, 16:15

i let a cloaked sniper get into my base, and it took out a fusion reactor :/

so what can see them? I just read that dragon's eyes can. what else?

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 24 Mar 2006, 16:47

Well, there is something called stealth to. Now, Cloacking renders your units invisbole for your Line of sight, but not radar. Radar can therefore see these snipers. If you see some dot run into your base, kill with some peewees.

Spies both have stealth AND clocaking, but they have no weapon.

All units who are cloacked becomes decloked when a unit comes close enought. See the radius bye clickin on the units attack button and looking for a small blue cicle.

patmo98 · Post by **patmo98** » 24 Mar 2006, 17:07

Kixxe wrote:All units who are cloacked becomes decloked when a unit comes close enought. See the radius bye clickin on the units attack button and looking for a small blue cicle.

Or just selecting the unit and holding shift.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 24 Mar 2006, 17:15

Snipers are stealth AND cloakable kixxe.

There is no way to find them easily. Honestly, your best bet for finding them is either LOTS of ak's or take out your enemies energy.

duncs · Post by **duncs** » 24 Mar 2006, 17:19

can someone define stealth? does that mean not visible to radar?

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 24 Mar 2006, 17:20

invisible to radar, yes.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 24 Mar 2006, 18:32

radar has long LoS though so u can spot them

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 24 Mar 2006, 19:03

the only real way to see a stealth/kloaked unit is to "bump into it", meaning, get a unit into it's detection radius... that's why the dragon's eyes work, because they are cloaked/stealth the sneaking in unit has a good chance of bumping into one.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 24 Mar 2006, 19:07

DE's are horrifically expensive tto run though. 5 DE's == 100 energy drain == teh suckage.

Abe Xedinski · Post by **Abe Xedinski** » 24 Mar 2006, 19:15

Will shooting a cloaked unit make it visible?
(Yes I'm stupid, I know... I just never tried it...)

mongus · Post by **mongus** » 24 Mar 2006, 19:16

As alternate solution, play xta instead, where jammer radius is small in general, even for jamming towers.

patmo98 · Post by **patmo98** » 24 Mar 2006, 19:54

Abe Xedinski wrote:Will shooting a cloaked unit make it visible?
(Yes I'm stupid, I know... I just never tried it...)

If a cloaked unit shoots, it will become visable. I don't know what happens if it is shot. On the other hand I think that it MAY lose stealth for a few seconds.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 24 Mar 2006, 20:41

mongus wrote:As alternate solution, play xta instead, where jammer radius is small in general, even for jamming towers.

Jamming's irrelevant.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 24 Mar 2006, 21:29

stealth cannot be lost iirc

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 24 Mar 2006, 22:52

Forboding Angel wrote:stealth cannot be lost iirc

Nope, it's an inherent property. The only way you'll see something that's stealthy and cloaked is if your enemy runs out of energy when you have LoS or you trip over it.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 24 Mar 2006, 23:13

Egarwaen wrote:
Forboding Angel wrote:stealth cannot be lost iirc
Nope, it's an inherent property. The only way you'll see something that's stealthy and cloaked is if your enemy runs out of energy when you have LoS or you trip over it.

Or, as I said, if they trip over you

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 25 Mar 2006, 02:23

I think that, in AA, the sniper K-Bot is both cloackable and stelthy.
In XTA, it is only cloackable.

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 25 Mar 2006, 07:47

Originally in OTA, the sniper kbot could cloak, but could still be seen on radar. Personally, I would have preferred the opposite, because in Spring, with auto radar targeting, this advantage is now pointless. Stealth is the real hiding advantage in Spring, because of radar autotargeting.

Giving a unit both stealth and cloak is an extremely risky move, and effectively makes a unit invisible until it is ready to fire. Careful steps have to be taken to ensure that such a unit is balanced.

In SWS and SWTA, we have reserved such a combination for the absolute apex of the Rebel Build tree, which is the Jedi Master. And we have balanced this by ensuring that the Jedi Master is an expensive and risky tool, and has a very large decloak radius, so that it takes plenty of micro to actually slip the unit past enemy defences to do the damage.

Post by SJ » 25 Mar 2006, 12:00

In XTA nothing both cloaks and is stealth, however your own jamming towers jams your own radar also. So cloaked units only works well when the opponent has his own base jammed, and the easiest way to detect a suspected cloaked unit is to disable jamming in that area (or make sure to build your base with some gaps in the jamming coverage).

Admo · Post by **Admo** » 10 Apr 2006, 19:35

should also note that a plane flying over head can decloak (due to proximity) a unit. they have a bit of difficulty automatically targeting such a unit because by the time they come back around the unit has cloaked again. but planes combined with towers will solve the problem.

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what can see cloaked units?

what can see cloaked units?