It seems you all like the sun so much that is rising over and over again
TA Spring - New logo & Site design, updated again!
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Sigh.
This is goona take some explaning.
Several people here have tryed to do all this befor. There have been atempt to change the logo, redesign the site, make the new GUI. What you cant jsut do is march in and say "this looks a little unprofesional, i'm gonna redo everything for you." because you'll get peoples backs up.
Now while I can see you can design stuff, and would hence be a big asset to have on board.
Im affraid getting into this comunity is harder than it looks
The problem that we infact all face is that no-one will agree on any one thing. SO what? well the problem is that the only way anything seems to happen here is when evreyone agrees. And we cant just overide peoples opinions, because many members have a valid reason.
This is turning into a sort of long post and its late...
Also... final say comes down to the people that are in charge of the game, the SY's. Realy if you want to totaly change things, your gonna have to get them with you.
I sense change coming though... so hopefully this will make somthing good happen around here.
aGorm
::EDIT:: why do the smilies look so evil...?
This is goona take some explaning.
Several people here have tryed to do all this befor. There have been atempt to change the logo, redesign the site, make the new GUI. What you cant jsut do is march in and say "this looks a little unprofesional, i'm gonna redo everything for you." because you'll get peoples backs up.
Now while I can see you can design stuff, and would hence be a big asset to have on board.
Im affraid getting into this comunity is harder than it looks
The problem that we infact all face is that no-one will agree on any one thing. SO what? well the problem is that the only way anything seems to happen here is when evreyone agrees. And we cant just overide peoples opinions, because many members have a valid reason.
This is turning into a sort of long post and its late...
Also... final say comes down to the people that are in charge of the game, the SY's. Realy if you want to totaly change things, your gonna have to get them with you.
I sense change coming though...
so hopefully this will make somthing good happen around here.aGorm
::EDIT:: why do the smilies look so evil...?
Old gods.. hope you dont mean me.. Im a humble learner. Hell, Im amazed anyone ever liked my stuff. I just wanted things to be done. But I kinda ran out of energy for that, cause with this lot anything and everything takes forever.
aGorm
(and they do look evil, look at the eye brows! and the thin lips!)
aGorm
(and they do look evil, look at the eye brows! and the thin lips!)
Thx to aGorm i read older posts made about logotye and such things.. from what i m quoting PauloMorfeo>
The engine is meant to re-birth games like TA. And it's name is spring that that's when new life is born. So i think the Spring logo should have one of these features (feel free to propose others)
- A phoenix (the bird that rebirths from ashes)
- A sun rise
- A growing plant/tree
As i always go from my strong point of view :) i have to say that last logo i submitted recreates good that quoted philosophy.. In only one picture you can see followed Yin Yang rule.. Life & Death.. "sun" as birth and "explosion" as death. And it works from the other aspect too.. sun rays represents explosion & "nuclear bomb" looks to many as tree. Mission accomplished to me so i m going on GUI, header thing now :)
The engine is meant to re-birth games like TA. And it's name is spring that that's when new life is born. So i think the Spring logo should have one of these features (feel free to propose others)
- A phoenix (the bird that rebirths from ashes)
- A sun rise
- A growing plant/tree
As i always go from my strong point of view :) i have to say that last logo i submitted recreates good that quoted philosophy.. In only one picture you can see followed Yin Yang rule.. Life & Death.. "sun" as birth and "explosion" as death. And it works from the other aspect too.. sun rays represents explosion & "nuclear bomb" looks to many as tree. Mission accomplished to me so i m going on GUI, header thing now :)
Moth3r, I would say that the problem with your logos is that they are too jagged and the colors are a little close together to each other in tone and hue... it look a little like the colors of vomit O_o
As always, I shall submit humbly what I believe to be the best set of logo/theme concepts made for this game yet:
As for the issue of beomcing a member of this communiy proper and having one's artwork become the standard theme for the game:
There is a bad situation going on here:
1) Artist make decent or exception artwork, saying they want to take up the whole project's artwork if the community approves.
2) Community isn't going to approve or agree on something if it is a mere "idea" or concept: only way something is going to be totally accepted (or accepted enough to beocme standard) is if Artist redesigns entire game's look and feel and theme and uploads his work.
3) This will never happenbecause (as in part 1) artist wants "community approval", and the communiy will *never* agree =-o
4) New artist comes along.
repeat ad infinitum.
In other words, the only way that the game will get a unified art theme is if SJ or Fnordia or YeHa steps in and says "We Swedes want XYZ's theme and he will be making the look and feel from now on. if you want your art to be considered for inclusion in the game, keep it in line with XYZ's theme. Decisoin final"
It's one of those little things that a bunch of programmers just dont think is important (and being a concrete programming type i would usually agree... except that Spring has the capcity to just explode onto the online scene if polished properly...)[/b]
As always, I shall submit humbly what I believe to be the best set of logo/theme concepts made for this game yet:
As for the issue of beomcing a member of this communiy proper and having one's artwork become the standard theme for the game:
There is a bad situation going on here:
1) Artist make decent or exception artwork, saying they want to take up the whole project's artwork if the community approves.
2) Community isn't going to approve or agree on something if it is a mere "idea" or concept: only way something is going to be totally accepted (or accepted enough to beocme standard) is if Artist redesigns entire game's look and feel and theme and uploads his work.
3) This will never happenbecause (as in part 1) artist wants "community approval", and the communiy will *never* agree =-o
4) New artist comes along.
repeat ad infinitum.
In other words, the only way that the game will get a unified art theme is if SJ or Fnordia or YeHa steps in and says "We Swedes want XYZ's theme and he will be making the look and feel from now on. if you want your art to be considered for inclusion in the game, keep it in line with XYZ's theme. Decisoin final"
It's one of those little things that a bunch of programmers just dont think is important (and being a concrete programming type i would usually agree... except that Spring has the capcity to just explode onto the online scene if polished properly...)[/b]
Spring engine was created as a branch of the 3D Demo Replayer, and should be treated as the intellectual property of the Clan SY.
SJ is the commonly held leader of the SY (At least the Spring devision) and his proxy as of late is Zaphod. If ANYONE has a say, I think it should be either Zaph or his mentor SJ, or even one of the other SY.
In fact, I think it's about time we hear from one of the old team...
SJ is the commonly held leader of the SY (At least the Spring devision) and his proxy as of late is Zaphod. If ANYONE has a say, I think it should be either Zaph or his mentor SJ, or even one of the other SY.
In fact, I think it's about time we hear from one of the old team...
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SwiftSpear
- Classic Community Lead
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- Joined: 12 Aug 2005, 09:29
Whichever artist builds a new GUI will be ahead of the pack...
Also, there are no entrance requirements for "being part of the comunity". If you play the game or like the project you're welcome to be part of the comunity as far as I'm concerned. However, being part of the comunity doesn't instantly mean that your development efforts will be accpted. The problem with an open sourced project in the style we're using is that stuff that is done sometimes gets regected in this late stage of the game.
moth3r: At the moment we weren't really considering replacing the logo. While you're logos are nice we've grown attached to the one we're using now, dispite the fact that it isn't always perfectly represented in all the places we use it. As much as we appreciate your efforts I can't promise that this won't just be another project that unfortuneatly doesn't go anywhere. In the end it's up to the project leads.
Also, there are no entrance requirements for "being part of the comunity". If you play the game or like the project you're welcome to be part of the comunity as far as I'm concerned. However, being part of the comunity doesn't instantly mean that your development efforts will be accpted. The problem with an open sourced project in the style we're using is that stuff that is done sometimes gets regected in this late stage of the game.
moth3r: At the moment we weren't really considering replacing the logo. While you're logos are nice we've grown attached to the one we're using now, dispite the fact that it isn't always perfectly represented in all the places we use it. As much as we appreciate your efforts I can't promise that this won't just be another project that unfortuneatly doesn't go anywhere. In the end it's up to the project leads.
I like homeworld touch to the old rising sun logo.
But as aGorm explained, It's not weather a new logo would look better. It's if we wan't a new logo.
Perosnally I'd say that the current logo fits Spring more. This may change overtime, but Spring isn't curved and flashy (yet).
Reminds me of aGoprms old ava ^.^' The first logo appeared on the site wasn't the best.
But as aGorm explained, It's not weather a new logo would look better. It's if we wan't a new logo.
Perosnally I'd say that the current logo fits Spring more. This may change overtime, but Spring isn't curved and flashy (yet).
Reminds me of aGoprms old ava ^.^' The first logo appeared on the site wasn't the best.
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Warlord Zsinj
- Imperial Winter Developer
- Posts: 3742
- Joined: 24 Aug 2004, 08:59
From technical point all of my logos are done in vector program so there is no problem with jaggy lines or such.. i only exported them in png with too small size of file. See included PDF so look for byself how it looks small. And on the color thing issue.. i made ver. of all logos in B&W ..it means they-a can be used in all range of custom colors depending on people because logo is consisted by only one shape. And i m not using too small details on them becasuse you cant scale on different dimensions then. From what i saw all previous logos are mainly done in raster programs like photoshop so i m sure this is not good then.Dragon45 wrote:Moth3r, I would say that the problem with your logos is that they are too jagged and the colors are a little close together to each other in tone and hue... it look a little like the colors of vomit O_o
PDF version
http://www.moth3r.net/logo/logo2.pdf
I can make eyecany too so for yourself on previous sites i made:
http://zadar.hbk.hr
http://www.moth3r.net
The last one is my portfolio site.. its book in flash.. there is bunch of other logos on it and all are in use now. Look at site at logo i made for gaming association in Croatia called HCL.
http://zadar.hbk.hr
http://www.moth3r.net
The last one is my portfolio site.. its book in flash.. there is bunch of other logos on it and all are in use now. Look at site at logo i made for gaming association in Croatia called HCL.
