Sigh... who put rapid in a subfolder?

[Peet]

Hey man, anyone can read the thread and know I'm right, unless you go and edit out all of your posts.

I'll leave it at that :)

You're an idiot and you know nothing of the history here.

Edit: Trivia for the new guy, do you know where

I FUCK IN SKY!

came from and why it is significant?

Edit2: Don't hassle the Hoff!

He hasn't been here for five years and might not have met emmanuel thus his comments about your [reprehensible] attitude are baseless?

Good argument sir.

[Forboding Angel]

The devs screwed up (without realizing it, aka testing via wine worked ok but on winbloze not so ok), and my assertion was that they didn't test it on winbloze at all (which technically I am correct, they didn't test on *bloze), but for whatever reason this guy comes out of nowhere, spouts a pile of BS about me constantly riding the engine devs asses and bla bla bla fucking bla when it's very much untrue. As replied to his pm, have a look at my responses in the various pathfinding threads.

Peet you should know better.

[Peet]

The devs screwed up (without realizing it, aka testing via wine worked ok but on winbloze not so ok), and my assertion was that they didn't test it on winbloze at all (which technically I am correct, they didn't test on *bloze), but for whatever reason this guy comes out of nowhere, spouts a pile of BS about me constantly riding the engine devs asses and bla bla bla fucking bla when it's very much untrue. As replied to his pm, have a look at my responses in the various pathfinding threads.

Peet you should know better.

Despite any grade of truth in these claims, the way you have conducted yourself in this thread was neither pertinent, necessary, nor acceptable.


And yes you are correct, at this point I should know better than to expect reasonable behaviour from you. Consider me finally educated.

[Forboding Angel]

Why do you quote the post above you (Never got why people do that... not that it matters)?

I will paste my reply to kremmy here as well, because it contains a bit of summation:

Kremmy, have you ever worked on content for the engine? I'm guessing no. So therefore you could not possibly understand what a mountain of work it is. You do not have time to analyze the fucking folder structure of every damn release and the thought of doing so is ridiculous.

Here is what happens when a new spring version comes out.

All of us content devs scramble to install it and find what is broken (oh there is always something broken in a new version, no exceptions). If you will read, the way I was distributing rapid originally would work every single time, but I wanted to use rapid that was bundled with the engine so that I wouldn't have to distribute potentially old versions. So I put the appropriate commands in a batch file and zipped it up.

Then I received a TORRENT of emails from people about them not being able to install evo, causing me to go into a panic of trying to figure it out. The entire problem could have been avoided by simply stating that rapid had been put in a subfolder in the changelog or the release notes.

My issue here is not so much that rapid should be moved or anything, it's the fact that it was not documented. You haven't been around long enough to know that this issue with undocumented shit has been ongoing for years, and it DOES matter, and it causes us (the content devs) big problems.

Giant fights have broken out because of crap like this in the past. It has been fairly better the past 6 months or so, but the engine devs constantly change stuff in the engine with no communication to us and then we get bent over the table and fucked because of it. (added after the fact: It also makes us look like amateurs to the players as well, which is undesirable in any circumstance)

Back @ peet, and I expect nothing but trolling from you... Ever. It's not a big deal, but ever since you first visited 4chan you turned into a real jerk. Protip: The internet != srs bsns.

Despite any grade of truth in these claims, the way you have conducted yourself in this thread was neither pertinent, necessary, nor acceptable.

But it sure as shit got the point across didn't it?

Edit: Notice that I didn't single out any dev in particular. This wasn't about berating engine devs (as I have said over and over and fucking over). it's about changes to the engine and it's contents (this includes portable and the installer) not being documented.

[Peet]

I am not trolling, I am making an attempt to mitigate the damage caused by a relatively high-profile content developer displaying this level of a lack of respect to those who are putting their time and effort into providing the engine he works on, for free. In the long term I believe I am acting 100% in accordance with your own interests, something I think you should make an attempt to recognize.

If I were trolling I'd be doing a rather effective job though, considering that you have resorted to countering with personal attacks...too bad they are rather nonsensical and based on outdated information on my browsing habits - not to mention the fact that the language you primarily utilize in this forum is nearly identical to that of denizen of the aforementioned site. I am glad you have done such a terrible job of attacking me, otherwise my ability to express my stance of rational civility would have truly been perturbed!

But it sure as shit got the point across didn't it?

Yes, as would have a politely worded post. Or a letter bomb. Why didn't you choose the latter? It would have been really effective. Hint: the sensible response to this is also an excellent reason to not employ such a disagreeable tone in your posts to the devs

Edit: Notice that I didn't single out any dev in particular. This wasn't about berating engine devs (as I have said over and over and fucking over). it's about changes to the engine and it's contents (this includes portable and the installer) not being documented.

A generalized attack is still an attack and can easily be interpreted on a personal level. Is it really that hard to behave in a nicer manner? I understand your frustration with the underlying issue and being pestered by your own "customers" but seriously, take the extra 30 seconds to calm yourself and write a post that is not offensive to those people whose time and effort contribute to your success.

[Forboding Angel]

Ok guys seriously... I am not going to carry on 3 pm convos and this thread at the same time. Please pick a medium and stick with it.

I get it, you aren't happy with the way I expressed my displeasure. That was clear several pages back. As stated, I was making a point. For some reason abma didn't close the thread after he had his say or even after my response to him, cause tbh, at that point the horse was already decaying and there wasn't much point to beating it further, yet here we are.

Edit: Actually it would have died a semi peaceful death if kremmy hadn't decided to come in and pour barrels of gasoline on the fire.

[AF]

The sign is that you should all have stopped posting by now and saved yourselves the effort in what was a highly predictable thread with highly predictable outcomes past a very early point thanks to abma. Everybody else has done it and peet is happy to carry on regardless.

[Peet]

Thanks AF your expert analysis of this thread will bring about the personal benefit of us all, particularly considering the scant level of conflict resolution in private.

[smoth]

Edit: Actually it would have died a semi peaceful death if kremmy hadn't decided to come in and pour barrels of gasoline on the fire.

you could have chosen not to ignite. I pmed him and talked to him in the thread. but you couldn't leave it

[Pxtl]

Ok guys seriously... I am not going to carry on 3 pm convos and this thread at the same time. Please pick a medium and stick with it.

Well that's why you seemed to get Swayze confused with the Hoff.

[AF]

Thanks AF your expert analysis of this thread will bring about the personal benefit of us all, particularly considering the scant level of conflict resolution in private.

Why thankyou, and may I add what a marvellous avatar you have there Mr Peet

[Forboding Angel]

Ok guys seriously... I am not going to carry on 3 pm convos and this thread at the same time. Please pick a medium and stick with it.

Well that's why you seemed to get Swayze confused with the Hoff.

Aww damnit. Seriously looked like hoff. I know very little of either but hoff is pretty easy to recognize.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ13AxE81Po

[MidKnight]

edit: way to be a page late

[Beherith]

The manner the complaint was posted in was insulting and degrading to the developers. We are all human, and make mistakes, but this is not the way to handle them. In the future, complaints posted in a manner similar to this will be deleted by me, and the poster told to present his issue in a non degrading manner.

I apologize for being late on this issue, but RL has kept me way too busy.