Getting more gamers!; A thread to try find a way.(Promotion)

[AF]

No it isnt a good point at all.

Spring is a platform for playing RTS games and as a platform for RTS games it has to be advertised.
You cannot fill the mind of people with a hundred names. The community needs one single brand, where people can gather.
That is Spring! Spring is still no game. Its nice to hear, that you already noticed that.

And stop your mod vs mod gibberish, it does help anyone.

We should advertize individual games and advertize the engine to developers to encourage production of more games. This projects aim is to continue engine development, we're not a marketing agency for those groups or people that use the engine and we already do a lot for it.

Right now it is the insistence that we advertise springs games as a package umbrella that is actually causing damage. It both lowers the perceived quality of the content while tarring the entire project with the legal issues of a minority. It also makes our community look smaller. What's more almost ALL our current marketing efforts are aimed at the umbrella package type offensive and the individual games are for the most part unknown as a result.

If you still do not believe me then look at those whoa re advertising their content but look where they are advertising ti and how. Theyre not advertising it as spring they're advertising it as their game, and they're courting a totally new audience.

[Caradhras]

Well, AF, I do accept your point in the first place and they might have some reason.

But anyhow, I think its better to merge the efforts, because we ARE to small to get up advertising for each individual game. We have to work together and help each other.

Thats why I hate people bitching at each other, because Supreme Annihilation is stupid or BA suppresses all other mods.
This is just egoistic and, as i said, helps anyone.

Any further player who plays any mod (and even if its Supreme Annihilation) is a plus and great because we got his attention and then, maybe then he looks at all the other mods.

We just need the raw masses of peoples attention and this done best through focusing advertising on a single brand. Spring.


After that, then we can think about the advertising individual games.
I repeat the community and playerbase is still way to small!

[AF]

and creating sites for all our games would increase the size of that community and users would naturally arrive at these new destinations and filter down into the rest. This push for new sites combined with a 'spring network' or link guild of us all linking to each other will increase user retention and user acquiral.

Our games have been neglected for far too long. Look at our history and you'll see tonnes fo threads and pushes like these yet our community is only a fraction larger than it used to be.

[Caradhras]

Again, your got point in a way.

But people do not visit pages just because of their existance.

How do you want to make people visit these pages?

I already made a wiki entry in the ubuntuusers forum which has almost a hundred thousand registered users. Maybe I can make the news guys to post a message on the portal for the next spring release.

These actions attract new players, we need more of them.

[Jasper1984]

I agree we need to get the gamers to our websites before they can even know about the existence of the game. But getting gamers to download spring and then fail to (be able to)play might have negative results, because it might be a long while before they try again, and it might get the reputation as being 'that game you can't get started on'.

Also, some kinds of strategies, can only be done reasonably one time, like getting on the list of reddit or digg by the users here all voting for a submission there in a short time.(prev post was sort-of summary)

[smoth]

Thats why I hate people bitching at each other, because Supreme Annihilation is stupid or BA suppresses all other mods.
This is just egoistic and, as i said, helps anyone.

I don't carry this opinion, I just feel that spring is downright unfriendly and there is nothing that can fix it yet.

[Caradhras]

Hmm, that is a strange opinion.

So no one here wants to work together? That might explain, why Spring is doing under its possibilities.

But the thing in particular that is strange is the fact that you obviously dont want Spring to turn into a newb friendly community.
Or friendly at all. Then all effort is lost and I ought to rethink my will to contribute.

[smoth]

yes you have me all figured out caradhras...

that was sarcasm btw.

The engine is still very unstable there is no in game configuration/games setting menus. Still beyond that we have issues with this community and the rampant and now well seasoned troll community. We have issues with people thinking spring is the *A projects and people constantly selling it to others as such. Then there are the issues with being able to host/join hosting, not everyone can work on their router to open up a port.

But yeah feel free to think I do nothing around here and because I do not champion the spring engine as though it was already done. I also think that the suggestion of lumping all of our projects together is colossally stupid and want no part of it.

[Caradhras]

I do not think, that you contribute nothing nor do i think that Spring is finished. Spring will never be finished. At least not until some invests the time to completely rewrite it.

So maybe some people are envious because their mods aren't that popular like the *A-mods? Perhaps more effort has to be invested to have more than one non-*A game a day?
If i can be of help, tell me.
Concerning the port-problem, i agree here with you. The way it is atm is not DAU-compatible.

But also the question is: Do we want Spring to be DAU-compatible?

What do you mean with "lumping all of our projects together"? I think, you misunderstood me here.

[Jasper1984]

But yeah feel free to think I do nothing around here and because I do not champion the spring engine as though it was already done. I also think that the suggestion of lumping all of our projects together is colossally stupid and want no part of it.

For the record smoth has his own project. And i am sure he contributed to other projects as well. And of course he would like players for it.

You say it is not ready. I guess 'Wait when finished'(but not strictly) is a good thing to have on the promotion list, but is it really that unstable?(Do you need to watch out with the Lua scripts and such for it?) I guess some of the complications in installing for windows users establishes a milestone that has to be passed before we try to catch a lot more windows users. What other milestones do we have, and how do they affect which players we try to get?

What does DAU stand for? Uneducated players? Players of certain types of games? If it is that, IMO yes, spring should allow games to the liking those players to be possible.

[smoth]

Oh no, I definitely don't want to say wait until it is ready, spring is changing all the time so it is kinda hard to say "when it ready" With the features frequently being added and with each version they get a little better and other times worse. Promoting the engine would be good for us content creators and possibly for the devs but not good for the player population.

Also we cannot really say oh let's get more players? for what? The reason I do not want to pull any gundam players or promote it with any fervor is partly because of all the not readies of the engine, lobbies and of course things having to do with where gundam is at that moment.

caradhras, "lumping all of our projects together" as in pulling players into "spring." You don't pull players into spring, players have preferences. The engine it's self getting promoted great stuff. Promoting it as a game is incorrect, it is cool to promote the spring community but as I said it is RIFE with trolls and people who hurt spring's image in #main. If you want to promote spring you would just be promoting the lobby, a lobby where you can play tons of games like: etc, etc and etc.. but when people try to host and cannot, try try to play and cannot... they have no idea how to play single player it is not easy for them. they do not understand that it is mostly multiplayer and most of the time do not get a chance to sandbox in a single player game.

so they come on the server, cannot host, just opt to play something that IS hosted or are trolled into hosting some ta based shit. I just don't see this whole setup as user friendly. The fact that we have a server where tons different games can be played is GREAT one of my favorite thing about the lobby setup but between the disjointed pile of exes that floating around disconnected and the lobby full of trolling, what is the point. We have had tons of threads about this stuff and you look like you are really trying. I wish you luck just don't include my project or another project with out permission. I don't want people playing gundam and bitching at me because something looks silly when it is a cannon design.

[SwiftSpear]

We don't need promotion of the engine. We need promotion of the titles that play on the engine.

[smoth]

^this

[Argh]

+1

There are some technical issues remaining, like lack of support multiple versions of Spring (makes independent packages quit working after awhile) and the throw-everybody-together in the Lobby, which is not entirely conducive to growing audience share. But those are things that will probably be mitigated, when / if UberServer is ever actually released.

[emmanuel]

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[SwiftSpear]

can maek a mod i founded a new one concept its caled "da" deep annalation basically that between ba and ca but all unit can degun : it s fun yu see yu make the file and i test and giv yu moar balanc so yu can staert noaw suckz lol gg

If you don't understand what a thread is about, don't post in it please.

[emmanuel]

can maek a mod i founded a new one concept its caled "da" deep annalation basically that between ba and ca but all unit can degun : it s fun yu see yu make the file and i test and giv yu moar balanc so yu can staert noaw suckz lol gg

If you don't understand what a thread is about, don't post in it please.

Re: Getting more gamers!; A thread to try find a way.(Promotion
the good way for promote is maek a mod called EA all gamer will trust about this surely
EA game sound good ! Eternal Annihilation

[Eman]

Lol. I must be tired.

Here's my tip for the day:

Warning: Just because you can't understand what Em means in no way indicates that he does not understand you.

[emmanuel]

Lol. I must be tired.
Here's my tip for the day:
Warning: Just because you can't understand what Em means in no way indicates that he does not understand you.

we dont need promot or own gamers :
we need make good and legal game/tools will self promot by quality :
if spring isnt actually played why not does same the EA games : spend TV ads showing only the cosmetic and not the gameplay;
remind the toppic about ascII game hav no cosmetic or promotion and are played because they are good:
the linux/free world want always promote best soft and dont does this with spring because its a threat for the freedom !
spring is evil not by itself but by his link with the moraly owned RAPE



why yu hate me :its not me that invented the laws ?


Here's my tip for the day:
Warning: all those having already showed anything behing aware that a derivative work are under the 3year &| 300 000$ threat !
we need be good for apologise by scientifiq/student/handicap legal exclusions !
for exemplar understand see the :
"WOP" first person shooter :"world of paddle" :
its just a quake 3 mod with a commercial quality ,
qualified for be the best quality release in the console action game for childs 8yearold and more ,
playng video game is not a fun :its a learn for the modern control of industrial remoted device !
i can buy this kind of soft 30$ without cry like a tekken

[Hoi]

spend TV ads showing only the cosmetic and not the gameplay;

So, you're going to pay that?