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el_matarife · Post by **el_matarife** » 07 Sep 2007, 12:50

http://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page

I just saw this on Digg. I'm posting it because clearly, Spring needs some entries on here, but there's a catch. The wiki is separated into different categories for engines and games. Should Spring be entered as SpringRTS in the engines section, then all the Spring mods have separate articles in the games category? Or should we just put one big entry under games with all the mods listed?

BrainDamage · Post by **BrainDamage** » 07 Sep 2007, 13:12

spring is moving to a a more "engine" role, so my opinion is to list spring as engine and mods as games who uses the spring engine

mods can be added only when they match the license requierements, so only a very small portion of the mods can get in there (no TA-based mods for example)

tombom · Post by **tombom** » 07 Sep 2007, 13:23

I think the only one that would fit the license bit is NanoBlobs.

imbaczek · Post by **imbaczek** » 07 Sep 2007, 13:43

I'd add something about Kernel Panic anyway

el_matarife · Post by **el_matarife** » 07 Sep 2007, 16:52

I was assuming that NanoBlobs or Kernel Panic would work. Are any of the other mods 100% OTA content free and GPL now? Is anyone working to GPL their mods?

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 07 Sep 2007, 20:14

I'll see about working up other material for alternative (CC/public domain) licensed titles.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 07 Sep 2007, 20:57

el_matarife wrote:I was assuming that NanoBlobs or Kernel Panic would work. Are any of the other mods 100% OTA content free and GPL now? Is anyone working to GPL their mods?

Read the license requirements - GPL is not required - it is one of many accepted licenses.

S44 is (obviously) OTA content free and will be released under Creative Commons when it's done, which is a far superior license to GPL for content and mods.

manored · Post by **manored** » 07 Sep 2007, 23:22

Cant EE go in there too?

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 07 Sep 2007, 23:47

manored wrote:Cant EE go in there too?

EE, like gundam, is a private copyright.

Quanto042 · Post by **Quanto042** » 08 Sep 2007, 08:33

They have an ENGINE listing, we can add spring in there as an all around project as well.

el_matarife · Post by **el_matarife** » 08 Sep 2007, 12:26

Felix the Cat wrote: Read the license requirements - GPL is not required - it is one of many accepted licenses.

S44 is (obviously) OTA content free and will be released under Creative Commons when it's done, which is a far superior license to GPL for content and mods.

Yeah, but any Lua code or maybe even COB scripting in the mod would probably have to be under one of the free Sourcecode licenses they accept. The COB scripting is probably debatable and could probably go under a media license, but the Lua code definitely would need to be under one of these: http://libregamewiki.org/Free/libre_source_code_license

I don't suppose Smoth or Fang would feel like releasing the media to their mods under Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alike which seems to be close enough to their attitudes about their work.

Quanto042 wrote:They have an ENGINE listing, we can add spring in there as an all around project as well.

We mentioned that, but adding Spring without any playable content won't look so good.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 08 Sep 2007, 14:09

Why? The engine section looks to me like it's meant for developers looking for an engine for their game, not for gamers to download and play stuff on.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 09 Sep 2007, 01:54

el_matarife wrote:
Felix the Cat wrote: Read the license requirements - GPL is not required - it is one of many accepted licenses.

S44 is (obviously) OTA content free and will be released under Creative Commons when it's done, which is a far superior license to GPL for content and mods.
Yeah, but any Lua code or maybe even COB scripting in the mod would probably have to be under one of the free Sourcecode licenses they accept. The COB scripting is probably debatable and could probably go under a media license, but the Lua code definitely would need to be under one of these: http://libregamewiki.org/Free/libre_source_code_license

I don't suppose Smoth or Fang would feel like releasing the media to their mods under Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alike which seems to be close enough to their attitudes about their work.

Quanto042 wrote:They have an ENGINE listing, we can add spring in there as an all around project as well.
We mentioned that, but adding Spring without any playable content won't look so good.

TBH I doubt they will check to see if our i's are dotted and t's are crossed, so long as the licensing is within the realm of open use software. With all the much-debated questions surrounding the implications of GPL'd scripting on mods, it wouldn't really be fair to ask modders to GPL their scripts just so we can be listed on some wiki that nobody's ever heard of anyways.

manored · Post by **manored** » 09 Sep 2007, 02:24

SwiftSpear wrote:
manored wrote:Cant EE go in there too?
EE, like gundam, is a private copyright.

Isnt EE fang's creation? I mean, why would he want people to not advertise his game for free? :)

TheBigPK · Post by **TheBigPK** » 09 Sep 2007, 02:52

i believe its based off earth 2150

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 09 Sep 2007, 04:08

TheBigPK wrote:i believe its based off earth 2150

In the sense that Supreme Commander is based off Total Annihilation...

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 09 Sep 2007, 04:53

manored wrote:
SwiftSpear wrote:
manored wrote:Cant EE go in there too?
EE, like gundam, is a private copyright.
Isnt EE fang's creation? I mean, why would he want people to not advertise his game for free? :)

It's not open sourced. That's what I'm saying. If they allow people to post closed sourced games then fine, someone feel free to add it.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 09 Sep 2007, 09:44

EE isn't tied to Earth but it's tied to Fang's willingness to release it under CC/GPL/whatever which I doubt exists.

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 09 Sep 2007, 17:28

If I recall, I might be wrong, Fang wanted to retain the rights to it so nobody could butcher it - which, given some of the mashup games released under the radar for Spring, makes perfect sense.

Zoy64 · Post by **Zoy64** » 09 Sep 2007, 17:33

why cant we put OTA mods into the wiki? I mean, Total Annihiliation is virtually non-existent anymore. Since you cannot make a profit off of it anymore, then it sould be fine.

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