Global warming is the new religion! It has all the major parts: a state of perfection and paradise(before humans), a fall(humans learn about fire), and doomsday predictions(we'll all die because Earth will be like Venus!)
It even has a prophet, Al Gore! (who profits directly from this garbage, but we don't talk about that in polite circles)
Concerning global warming...
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Re: Concerning global warming...
Lol, read some basic stuff, I pity you, because ignorance and blindness can only be pitied.Forboding Angel wrote:Well lets preface to say that if you believe that humans are causing the planet to warm up, you're and idiot and need to take some basic science courses, however htat's not the point of this post...
I just laugh when some kid (after reading few isolated propaganda articles) think they are smarter than several thousand scientists who agree on IPPC report.
There is virtually no doubt about anthropogenic global warming in scientific community! Especially amongst climatologist!
After actual temperature rises by almost a degree and after we nearly double concentration of gases like CO2, CH4 and NOx (which as we all know are scattering infrared radiation back to earth) only ignorants can believe we have nothing to do with warming.
Calculations of radiative forcing clearly shows that effects of GHG outweight other aspects.
The biggest one is clearly from CO2 at about 1.46W/m^2
Re: Concerning global warming...
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, it's both already happening in last decade and some areas.We will see a water shortage...
Little later on in report-
...Will be seeing massive flooding.
At that point I scratched my head, said "Huh???" and called in the roflcopter.
Weather is becoming more unstable and there are changes that are causing both extreme droughts and extreme floding (you can have drought in 1/2 of year and flooding in 1 week).
For example for my area models predict there will be severe droughts in winter/spring and high risc of flooding in summer (while normally there should be more rain/snow here in winter).
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Machiosabre
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The problem is that global warming is scientific fact, and human involvement in it is widely regarded in the scientific community as a major contributer - except in some relatively minor circles which, surprise surprise, tend to have links to fossil fuel providers.Forboding Angel wrote:FLOZi wrote:The problem is, foreboding, that your first paragraph strips out any humour elsewhere as inhabitants of every other nation on earth smack their head and shout 'doh' in unison.
And when you start going on about it I look at the screen, shake my head and mutter "god, what an idiot".
Not everyone shares your view, but that's the wonderful thing about being free, you may have your view and I can have mine, deal with it.
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SpikedHelmet
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Let's see...
Several thousand of the most prominant scientists in the world simeltaneously voice the fact that humanity is causing global warming...
Some university dropout with a bachelor's in mediocrity physics who posts on sime right-wing neo-conservative blog says otherwise...
Leave it to FA to side with that one obscure piece of shit who "may or may not at one point worked as a secretary for NASA during one summer".
Several thousand of the most prominant scientists in the world simeltaneously voice the fact that humanity is causing global warming...
Some university dropout with a bachelor's in mediocrity physics who posts on sime right-wing neo-conservative blog says otherwise...
Leave it to FA to side with that one obscure piece of shit who "may or may not at one point worked as a secretary for NASA during one summer".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRB54loX ... ed&search=
i am not a racist, and this video is obviously not representative of the general population of the USA
i am not a racist, and this video is obviously not representative of the general population of the USA
Re: Concerning global warming...
Your imagination needs to be looked at, sir.Forboding Angel wrote:At that point I scratched my head, said "Huh???" and called in the roflcopter.
Al Gore profits directly from this garbage: http://www.generationim.com/about/team.htmlThe problem is that global warming is scientific fact, and human involvement in it is widely regarded in the scientific community as a major contributer - except in some relatively minor circles which, surprise surprise, tend to have links to fossil fuel providers.
http://billhobbs.com/2007/02/more_on_gore.htmlSo far, so good. But how Gore buys his "carbon offsets," as revealed by The Tennessean raises serious questions. According to the newspaper's report, Gore's spokesperson said Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management:
Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe, she said...
Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he "buys" his "carbon offsets" from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy "carbon offsets" through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks.
But the evil holoc-global warming deniers have links to fossil fuel providers! *pant* *pant*
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KingRaptor
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Licho, CO2 isnt the worst, in alla ctual fact it is one of the least effective, and the only reason it ha ssuch a stigma is that it takes so long to dissipate. Water vapour is far more effective than CO2 and in copious supplies.
If you look at past history, our climate has heated up past the magical tipping point fo no return on at least 2 occasions, and then stayed above that temperature, for 3000 years in the bronze age, aka the helocine maxima, and the medieval warm period when there where mediterranean style vineyards in Britain. The world didnt end, we're not in a venus climate, temperatures fell afterwards, remember the little ice age? When rivers like the thames froze over? Where the ice was so thick they had festivals and buildings on it in the winter?
What about the huge lag in CO2 behind temperatures? Does that not suggest higher temperatures cause extra CO2 and not the other way around?
What about statistics showing that CO2 production ramped up after 1940 for 30 years, despite a huge drop in temperatures over those 30 years and a global scare involving global cooling that is very similair to the current global warming scare? What about correlations between solar activity and temperatures on earth that show correct correlation with no 800 year time lags that match the temperatures correctly going back thousands of years?
You said you have area models, so you're in the global warmign business? You must have a vested interest in keeping global warming at the frontiers of science, what with all that research money. Gosh if global warming was considered unreliable, there'd be tens of thousands of people out of the job! But then again its not like tens of billions of dollars of research money worldwide is worth doing anything about right?
And people, do not forget that the IPCC is a laughing stock. Not everyone on the IPCC is a scientist, and not everyone listed as being a part of the IPCC is there willingly. Some people have even taken legal action to have their names removed from this list of 2500 scientists.
While I think reducing CO2 emmissions is a good idea, I do not think that all this global warming caused by human stuff is anything but alarmist apocalypse stories designed to scare people in order to profit in various ways, media wanting a new story, new products, researc money.
Human caused Global warming is not a fact, it is a theory, and to date there has been no undisputed scientific proof that prooces otherwise (and even if there was, its still just a theory, just as we all know newtons stuff proved right but einstein had one over him).
And may we all remember that computer/mathematical models ar no justification at all. We dont know enough to accurately produce them and it is possible to fiddle the values to give whatever result you want because nobody knows the correct values. And afterall, a model that prdicts things will be cloudy buy othewise the same in 50 years time, doesnt get published, and afterall nobodies going to remember it in 50 years time so it doesnt matter fi you get something wrong.
Remember the computer model that said we'd be in an ice age today? or the ones that said global warming would have raised sea levels and flooded most the world by 2005? Right now a drastic increase in solar activity is a more plausible explanation than a small increase in a green house gas.
If you look at past history, our climate has heated up past the magical tipping point fo no return on at least 2 occasions, and then stayed above that temperature, for 3000 years in the bronze age, aka the helocine maxima, and the medieval warm period when there where mediterranean style vineyards in Britain. The world didnt end, we're not in a venus climate, temperatures fell afterwards, remember the little ice age? When rivers like the thames froze over? Where the ice was so thick they had festivals and buildings on it in the winter?
What about the huge lag in CO2 behind temperatures? Does that not suggest higher temperatures cause extra CO2 and not the other way around?
What about statistics showing that CO2 production ramped up after 1940 for 30 years, despite a huge drop in temperatures over those 30 years and a global scare involving global cooling that is very similair to the current global warming scare? What about correlations between solar activity and temperatures on earth that show correct correlation with no 800 year time lags that match the temperatures correctly going back thousands of years?
You said you have area models, so you're in the global warmign business? You must have a vested interest in keeping global warming at the frontiers of science, what with all that research money. Gosh if global warming was considered unreliable, there'd be tens of thousands of people out of the job! But then again its not like tens of billions of dollars of research money worldwide is worth doing anything about right?
And people, do not forget that the IPCC is a laughing stock. Not everyone on the IPCC is a scientist, and not everyone listed as being a part of the IPCC is there willingly. Some people have even taken legal action to have their names removed from this list of 2500 scientists.
While I think reducing CO2 emmissions is a good idea, I do not think that all this global warming caused by human stuff is anything but alarmist apocalypse stories designed to scare people in order to profit in various ways, media wanting a new story, new products, researc money.
Human caused Global warming is not a fact, it is a theory, and to date there has been no undisputed scientific proof that prooces otherwise (and even if there was, its still just a theory, just as we all know newtons stuff proved right but einstein had one over him).
And may we all remember that computer/mathematical models ar no justification at all. We dont know enough to accurately produce them and it is possible to fiddle the values to give whatever result you want because nobody knows the correct values. And afterall, a model that prdicts things will be cloudy buy othewise the same in 50 years time, doesnt get published, and afterall nobodies going to remember it in 50 years time so it doesnt matter fi you get something wrong.
Remember the computer model that said we'd be in an ice age today? or the ones that said global warming would have raised sea levels and flooded most the world by 2005? Right now a drastic increase in solar activity is a more plausible explanation than a small increase in a green house gas.
Re: Concerning global warming...
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I just laugh when some kid (after reading few isolated propaganda articles) think they are smarter than several thousand scientists who agree on IPPC report.
There is virtually no doubt about anthropogenic global warming in scientific community! Especially amongst climatologist!
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My freind has a artical from Newsweek where a panel of scientists all agreed that definitely, in a few decades, a new ice age was the biggest problem facing humanity.
My view:
Pollution is bad, mmmkay.
I just laugh when some kid (after reading few isolated propaganda articles) think they are smarter than several thousand scientists who agree on IPPC report.
There is virtually no doubt about anthropogenic global warming in scientific community! Especially amongst climatologist!
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My freind has a artical from Newsweek where a panel of scientists all agreed that definitely, in a few decades, a new ice age was the biggest problem facing humanity.
My view:
Pollution is bad, mmmkay.
We'll have the same climate as spain so global warming can't be that bad. :)
Anyway one of the problems is the usage of fossile resources rather than using regrowing resouces. The It's been known for a long, long time and everyone will just continue to ignore the problem. There was enough time to adjust the market but no one has interest in doing so. The changes aren't enough, by far.
Anyway one of the problems is the usage of fossile resources rather than using regrowing resouces. The It's been known for a long, long time and everyone will just continue to ignore the problem. There was enough time to adjust the market but no one has interest in doing so. The changes aren't enough, by far.
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Forboding Angel
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Re: Concerning global warming...
That is a stupid thing to say considering that I'm probably older than you are, meh I digress.Licho wrote: ...I just laugh when some kid...
So forty years from now, when the planet hasn't turned into hell on earth you'll sit there and realize, wow, I'm dumb!
You people fail at humor.
nah, him and Al Gore will be sitting in there gigantic mansions, huge personal jets, flying across the world, still spouting the "Global Warming will kill the earth (but we buy carbon offsets so we create a state of equilibrium....)
Deal with it :)
Oh btw, for any of you guys that want to buy Carbon Offsets, I have best deal on earth, Cheap cheap, Come get your carbon offsets..... because that will make everything better........ riiighhttt.....
I have also seen the news articles on the IPPC, about Scientists NOT EVEN KNOWING that they were put on the list, and now have to SUE to be removed.
Alot of people have big money invested into global warming, Its the new "thing" that all governments are striving to understand.
I give it 10 years before everyone is tired of hearing the same ole BS, and move onto the new shiny object :)
THE INTERNETZ ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS!! AL GORE SAYS SO!
edit for people that dont believe Al Gore is about as green as a red light...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/ed ... reen_x.htm
sheeple.
Deal with it :)
Oh btw, for any of you guys that want to buy Carbon Offsets, I have best deal on earth, Cheap cheap, Come get your carbon offsets..... because that will make everything better........ riiighhttt.....
I have also seen the news articles on the IPPC, about Scientists NOT EVEN KNOWING that they were put on the list, and now have to SUE to be removed.
Alot of people have big money invested into global warming, Its the new "thing" that all governments are striving to understand.
I give it 10 years before everyone is tired of hearing the same ole BS, and move onto the new shiny object :)
THE INTERNETZ ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS!! AL GORE SAYS SO!
edit for people that dont believe Al Gore is about as green as a red light...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/ed ... reen_x.htm
sheeple.
