Map on the Surface of a Black Hole possible ?

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 25 Mar 2007, 21:44

I just thougth about it.. if future technolgoy would allow Units to stand and move on the Surface of a Black Hole ... a StarCorps.. could they fight a war there ?

Post by **jcnossen** » 25 Mar 2007, 22:20

A black hole has no surface, its a point. But even if it did, what drugs were you taking ?

Zpock · Post by **Zpock** » 25 Mar 2007, 22:23

No surface, but the event horizon? Below it light cannot get out, IE there is no return. Time goes backward etc etc.

iamacup · Post by **iamacup** » 25 Mar 2007, 22:32

usualy you fight wars over usefull things (or rather, things that will cause you to gain something if you act or lose something if you do not act)

off the drugs

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 25 Mar 2007, 23:16

Super Heat Gas is jetted out and Gama Rays and Black Holes looses Masses - so if you conquer it and wait a whole enternity you would get out again..

And if you think this is druggy -- i have far worser thoughts.. so keep that coment for the worst things.

I one suggested for a ShooterMap a Vulcano in Desert Mountains - Fine Winddeliverd Sand running in Rivers through Canyons down into the Vulcano - which blows out Hot Gas and creates that way a Citybuildingshapes made of Gasfilled Glas. So be happy for all the things i don`t take to the Feature Request forum...

PS: Wars fought for Good Reasons ? Like the Domino Game they thought in Vietnam? The Living Space Theorys of Hilter ? The Socialistic Freedom of Stalins Sibiria ? Humans and good Reasons for War.. i mean with Mac Namera himself saying something about the "Fog of War" that is great Joke :)

diggz2k · Post by **diggz2k** » 25 Mar 2007, 23:21

Could you have a map in spring with huge gravity in the center so a bertha shot could get sucked in like a whirlpool?

Radja · Post by **Radja** » 26 Mar 2007, 14:59

black holes are yet to be fully understood by science, still i dont think that planting a flag on one would be of any use

creating miniblackholes for purely destructive purposes, on the other hand...

we could use a gun that engulfs peewees and then explodes in a hell of light and energy

knorke · Post by **knorke** » 26 Mar 2007, 16:34

certain nvidia drivers let you play blackhole-style on every map.

there is also that very cool movie "The Black Hole" where a group of scientist cant decide if it would be a good or bad idea to fly the spaceship (they are sitting inside) into to giant blackhole that crushs all materia by its giant gravity force.

manored · Post by **manored** » 27 Mar 2007, 21:27

Blackholes are just a smallish point with gigantic gravity that sucks anything in and compressess it to a point... so why would anyone want to battle where?

AF · Post by AF » 27 Mar 2007, 23:07

manored wrote:Blackholes are just a smallish point with gigantic gravity that sucks anything in and compressess it to a point... so why would anyone want to battle where?

Beyond the event horizon time stands still, therefore matter could not condense into a singularity because it would require time to do so.

The very notion of fighting on an event horizon is like saying we should fight our wars inside this teapot I have here, but you're not allowed to downsize your tanks and they must fit inside this ting teapot.

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 27 Mar 2007, 23:09

They can be the size of a Moon - if they are the remainder of multiple burned out suns. And why not make a Reason up- this is SF you can tell anything ! :)

Mass Extraction - Wormholeconquering... etc.. Even if it is just a OneWay Ride to the Surface of the Blackhole it could be worth it :)

manored · Post by **manored** » 27 Mar 2007, 23:14

I dont believe in the teory of there being no time inside blackholes as I dont think it would be possible for then to move if it was real.

AF · Post by AF » 27 Mar 2007, 23:23

manored, your view of time is allw rong.

Also, blackholes arent timeless, they have time but beyond the event horizon it does not progress, it stands still.

Just as moving into a region of space with no galaxies nearby or other gravitational effects would make your clock seem to go at the same speed but it'd be going far faster than what the same clock on earth would be going at.

Even mars progresses at a different speed to earth in time.

In the mean time how can you explain the lack of lighting on the surface? A platform built around a blackhole would probably collapse with the disturbances of peewees walking around ontop, and commanders dgunning. More to the point what would ti actually look like?

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 27 Mar 2007, 23:49

"POLLY WANTS CRACK!" said Polly. :P

The gravity of a black hole is strong enough to suck lightrays in, that's why you can't see them.

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 27 Mar 2007, 23:57

Oh, yeah Time dillation... yes AF is right about that. Mass bows (by gravity) Space, and slows time.. if i remember right...

How should supercrompresed Matter look ? I guess like a polished mirror, but as light can not escape it again .. puuh.. sorry i am no Hero at quantum mechanics, but at least i am willing to confess it.

How the World would look beyond the Schwarzschild Border.. i can only gues..
However there is radiation escaping so - you could view a kind of superflat surface with a kind of R├â┬Ântgenglass. The Terrain would be hard...
If Time would really stand still there would be clouds of Light above the Surface..... and do electrons travell while Time stand still ?

All just guesses but intersting guesses... Maybee you would need to bring your own time there, and forcefields to get Gravityfree. Contact with the Singulartiy would lead to constant Explosions of newbuiled Matter and recolapps into the singularity, once the Unit moves on...

Sorry me is a Noob at Astrophysics..

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 28 Mar 2007, 00:01

Black holes don't have a surface... the event horizon is simply an arbitrary sphere around the black hole, beyond which the acceleration due to gravity from the matter inside the black hole is greater than the speed of light. It's not a surface in anything but a very abstract geometric sense.

There's not likely to be much there because, in order for a photon to be stuck at the event horizon, it would have to be moving straight away from the singularity, and thus the only photons that would be there would be those produced by the collapsing star at the exact point in time during its collapse that its diameter was equal to the diameter of the event horizon. Any photons produced inside the event horizon would be pulled into the singularity; any entering the event horizon from the outside could not possibly have a trajectory that is straight away from the singularity, as in order to attain that trajectory, they would have had to pass through the singularity, and thus would have stayed there.

Radja · Post by **Radja** » 28 Mar 2007, 00:10

PicassoCT wrote:Mass Extraction - Wormholeconquering... etc.. Even if it is just a OneWay Ride to the Surface of the Blackhole it could be worth it :)

scifi needs some sense to be fun, otherwise is just an excuse to write cheesy scripts

so, what if we build an antimatter cannon and shoot a round at a black hole? we could create a death star-like black hole smasher and frighten the galaxy!!

iamacup · Post by **iamacup** » 28 Mar 2007, 00:29

AF wrote:manored, your view of time is allw rong.

Also, blackholes arent timeless, they have time but beyond the event horizon it does not progress Relative to us, it stands still.

Just as moving into a region of space with no galaxies nearby or other gravitational effects would make your clock seem to go at the same speed but it'd be going far faster than what the same clock on earth would be going at. (this is rubbish afik - it depends what speed and direction you were going and is hardly dependant on what other objects are arround you)

Even mars progresses at a different speed Relative to earth in time.

In the mean time how can you explain the lack of lighting on the surface? A platform built around a blackhole would probably collapse with the disturbances of peewees walking around ontop, and commanders dgunning. More to the point what would ti actually look like?

PicassoCT wrote:Oh, yeah Time dillation... yes AF is right about that. Mass bows (by gravity) Space, and slows time.. if i remember right...

How should supercrompresed Matter look ? I guess like a polished mirror, but as light can not escape it again .. puuh.. sorry i am no Hero at quantum mechanics, but at least i am willing to confess it.

How the World would look beyond the Schwarzschild Border.. i can only gues..
However there is radiation escaping so - you could view a kind of superflat surface with a kind of R├â┬Ântgenglass. The Terrain would be hard...
If Time would really stand still there would be clouds of Light above the Surface..... and do electrons travell while Time stand still ?

All just guesses but intersting guesses... Maybee you would need to bring your own time there, and forcefields to get Gravityfree. Contact with the Singulartiy would lead to constant Explosions of newbuiled Matter and recolapps into the singularity, once the Unit moves on...

Sorry me is a Noob at Astrophysics..

its all relative

learn special relativity and read a brief history of time.

if i move past you (and you are still) at 9.999 C it will apear that time is going VERY slow for me relative to you

however from my point of view it will be going at the normal rate and your time is going slow, as slow infact as mine is to you.

so if we are to believe that time is dilated to a point where time stops for the black hole, infact from its point of view (wtf) time has infact stopped for us. (allthough this is not the case as noone really knows wtf happens in black holes, it is believed that these equations break down. especialy considering that there is more mass in one spot than anyone can explain right now.)

also af in your example about mars, even if you are on mars, because both objects are accelerating wierd complex things happen (beyond the normal time dilation equation) and if you sit on mars for awhile then return to earth, your clock will not be out of sync with thoes on earth.

(all of the above asumes we ignore all other time/gravity effects and that we are using simple time dilation)

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 28 Mar 2007, 01:13

iamacup wrote:PHAIL:
also af in your example about mars, even if you are on mars, because both objects are accelerating wierd complex things happen (beyond the normal time dilation equation) and if you sit on mars for awhile then return to earth, your clock will not be out of sync with thoes on earth.

According to Einstein's theory of gravity and space-time -- called "general relativity" -- clocks in strong gravity tick slower than clocks in weak gravity. Because gravity is weaker on the ISS than at Earth's surface, PARCS should accumulate an extra second every 10,000 years compared to clocks ticking on the planet below. PARCS won't be there that long, but the clock is so stable that it will reveal this effect in less than one year. (Strayer notes that clocks on GPS satellites experience this relativistic phenomenon, too, and that onboard systems must correct for it.) -- Source

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Comp1337 · Post by **Comp1337** » 28 Mar 2007, 16:03

afaik cuppeh isnt referring to that phenomenon..

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Map on the Surface of a Black Hole possible ?

Map on the Surface of a Black Hole possible ?