SPRING sucks on Win VISTA

el_matarife · Post by **el_matarife** » 09 Mar 2007, 23:25

Ordinarily I wouldn't blame them, but the fact is that Vista was delayed like 3 years. They've had beta versions and known what they would need to do for months, maybe even years. It's also 2 months after Vista was released, which means people are actually using it now, and its shipping on a LOT of PCs. The current state of drivers is where it should have been in December.

superppl · Post by **superppl** » 10 Mar 2007, 03:27

Zpock wrote:
iamacup wrote:in other news vista is amazing. this forums full of supcom-vista-newtechnology haters.
DOWN WITH THE SUPCOM!

DEATH TO VISTA!!!

WE FIGHT 4 SPRING!

Have the members of these forums ever heard of BIASES?
I'm a linux user, and I've tried XP, Vista, and OSX. My bias is linux, and no amount of persuading will ever make me change my mind.
I'm confident other people on this forum feel the same way for other OS's. Maybe someone likes Vista, Dos, OS/2, or Windows ME for all I care. If you can't come up with good reasons for why someone else should see things from your perspective then either don't post, or post spam!

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 10 Mar 2007, 03:56

DOS and Me owned. Oh, and Windows 3.0!

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » 10 Mar 2007, 04:21

BBC Micro > DOS

AF · Post by AF » 11 Mar 2007, 00:14

matarife, there's a Vista codec pack 4.7 on guru3d.com that works good, mediaplayer still refuses to play DVD's but MPlayer will run them fine. ffdshow locks up windows explorer with some videos and it does that in XP too, but thats ffdshows fault, so I wouldnt install those codecs.

Vista downlaoded the latest lexmark drivers for me, and they're not cr*ppy betas or halfass generic driver, they're the full versions with all the extra tools for scanning etc from lexmark...

iTunes and Quicktime work perfectly for me at the moment.

Any prog that needs to install a dx9 runtime isnt doing its job properly by detecting the superior dx10 runtime installed.

One issue I do have is that vista identifies tasclient as an untrustworthy program due to its lack of program info such as company, author etc, and asks if you want it to run or not.

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 11 Mar 2007, 02:47

Mar 10 17:30:21 <IaMaCuP> i just had my first ever crash on vista

THERE! THE FANBOI HIMSELF ADMITS VISTA SUX

monohouse · Post by **monohouse** » 15 Mar 2007, 14:12

vista hacked:

http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-6102458.html
http://www.normantranscript.com/cnhi/th ... _040004515
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/software/mic ... 241043.php
http://www.digg.com/software/Hackers_Re ... ion_Server
http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=27388

vista lags:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/

vista sucks: no driver, no monitor, no security, no performance

drolito · Post by **drolito** » 15 Mar 2007, 14:30

I'm the only one who Sucks ... Vista is very good :D

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 15 Mar 2007, 18:12

No ffdshow on vista and XP is yet another reason to stick with 2000. Is it just my imagination or does vista seem like a beta version?

AF · Post by AF » 15 Mar 2007, 21:44

Vista isnt insecure at all if anything its security is far superior to any version of windows that came before it.

However linux is horribly insecure because I can go outside your house with several billion dollars of electronics in a van or two and manipulate your motherboard and cpu remotely to do what I want.

Just because it is possible to find a flaw in an OS is not justification for calling it insecure, because that means your entire arguement is flawed and every OS on the planet should be considered fundamentally insecure.

Also some of those items are not flaws at all. Such as the brute force tool which was actually a joke and would take something like 3 billion years to fully scan the entire set of possible keys, the same type of attack being usable against any other commercial product with limited success.

Some of these 'issues' arent Vista issues at all they're BETA issues that've sinced been fixed before the first release ever hit store shelves. It's like saying windows 95 had a bug therefore all windows are cr*p.

monohouse, I'd like it if you didnt retort to fanboi anti MS BS.

Vista is good. Fine you might like Mac OS X better, or linux, I dont mind a linux fan, but I hate a linux fanboi, especially fanbois who retort with references to material which isnt grounds for justification such as flaws in beta versions of programs or such obvious things as brute force algorithms that could take years to give a valid result.

el_matarife · Post by **el_matarife** » 15 Mar 2007, 21:58

rattle wrote:No ffdshow on vista and XP is yet another reason to stick with 2000. Is it just my imagination or does vista seem like a beta version?

Yeah this also blows. However I crash when watching WMV-HD videos in Media Player on my Vista box, so I'm just wanting to take one step at a time. Thank god VLC mostly works after setting up the output differently.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 15 Mar 2007, 22:57

Lets see how does this thread go...

msguy wrote:linux sux!

random linux guy wrote: OH REALLY!!?!? ZOMYGOSH!

Well microsoft is liek teh evil and fail... I ignore the fact that it has a bigger user pool to fail at using it..

MS GUY 04 wrote:
shup linux user, my os is fine at least it is not mac os!

ZAK-linux-06 wrote:
Microsoft windows is an insecure operating system, it's all I GOT, FEEL BURNED!

Mac-03 wrote: WHAT!

MAC OS IS THE BEST!

random troll wrote: *Obligatory flames*
*Obligatory flames*
*Obligatory flames*
*Obligatory flames*
*Obligatory flames*
*Obligatory flames*

Smoth wrote:
He guys, what is goin' on in this thread?

AF · Post by AF » 15 Mar 2007, 23:09

lol, post of the month!

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 16 Mar 2007, 00:21

The Ride Me one was new.

kuqa · Post by **kuqa** » 16 Mar 2007, 23:37

So back on topic that was forgotten about at post # 5 of this thread..

I have a brand new c2d system with 2gig ram and gf8800 gfx.. running Vista 64bit

I ran spring at ~20-40fps at first... Then i turned threaded optimization off from Nvidia control panel and now spring runs steady 60 fps Vsync

So check that it is turned off when playing spring :)

superppl · Post by **superppl** » 18 Mar 2007, 04:41

smoth.... That was the one hell of a good post.
It pretty much sums up what goes on in this thread. The mods should rename this thread "Battle of the OS's" and this should be the official thread the senselessly bash other OS's for no real reason.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 18 Mar 2007, 04:54

Stevootron blasts this thread back to the stone age!

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 18 Mar 2007, 19:45

Oblivion gets >40% better framerate on Vista.

end of discussion.

ooooo its soooooo pretty...

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 30 Mar 2007, 12:52

LordMatt wrote:...
Cup has done a lot more for this community than you ever have. ...

Like that changes anything. Anyway, i'm only replying because i won't take lightly to have thrown at me the ├é┬½you have never done anything for the comunity├é┬╗.

- I have been here since the begining.
- I've helped with many discussions that needed discussion and with gaining a better inderstanding of the comunities of old TA and Spring.
- I've helped and tutored alot of newcomers, both in the forums as well as in the lobby. A simple instructing of installing new grafics card drivers changes many ├é┬½install, Spring doesn't runs, uninstall├é┬╗ users to regular Spring players.
- The documentation that is still beeing shiped with spring was compiled by me from the wiki (with only minor changes).
- I made 2 maps and i am proud enough of Island Alpha.
- I made a full mod editor. It proved to be mostly useless but i gave it a try and made it, it's there and works.
- I have been moderator (well, not lately) for ever. You know perfectly how workfull that is. Beeing a moderator is a bitch, not fun and games. It is a job that is not payed.
- I found one or two bugs in the source.
- In my recent work with TLL (The Lost Legacy Reborn), i proved what many were screaming impossible, i proved that a gameplay balance created from scratch out of a mathematical formula works. Even though people will still continue to scream that formulas are evil, it could be very valuable in jumping alot of steps at inserting a new race, like Rumad, into existing settings (or create a gameplay balance from scratch, like i was doing with TLL-R).

I haven't done no uber things and i probably ain't very missed, but i won't take the ├é┬½you have never done anything for the comunity├é┬╗.

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 30 Mar 2007, 22:15

Please find where in my previous posts that I said you did nothing.

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SPRING sucks on Win VISTA