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SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 28 Nov 2006, 16:49

Neuralize wrote:Until humans have the exact same genes and are all raised the exact same way and have the exact same experiences, any chance for a utopian society is pretty much lost.

Nope, if humans had the exact same genes society would crumble because our source of our strength is our individuality as beings. And even if humans are all raised exactly the same way with exactly the same experiences there are still 4 fundamental personality temperaments that are innately at conflict with each other that will continuously cause divisiveness and tear apart the society of samenesses. This is the problem with utopia's for billions of years we've been building them based on the concept that we are all fundamentally the same and we need to force everyone to be the same, when in reality our differences are ingrained into us as deeply as our genes and the only productive thing that can be done about it is to celebrate it and develop systems that allow all people to grow equally irregardless of their differences. Until we are able to see every human as an asset for what they are and the potentials they can reach through self improvement and self discovery Utopian society is impossible.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 28 Nov 2006, 17:51

A balance between communism and capitalism is the best way, such as the Scandinavian model. Everything that exists needs a balance between two extremes.

And Spike, if your idea of protesting wars it to attack military personal, your a fucktard. Your just hurting people who has nothing to do with the war except joining the army. Now if you want to protest a war, go assassinate the fucking president and the members of the government responsible. If that's not taking it to far of course...

MrNubyagi · Post by **MrNubyagi** » 28 Nov 2006, 18:11

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Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Nov 2006, 18:37

There is one problem with the world. Humanity. We're not perfect and thus the world we create is not perfect. I wouldn't want to live in a perfect world, because everyone's idea of a perfect world is different. As three people of the same ethnicity and religion and they'll all have different idea's of a 'perfect world'. Now ask six billion people of thousands of ethnicities and religions, upbringings and educations and we'd have six billion different 'perfect words'.

Good luck in making them, Spiked...I'm just going to try and carve out a 'nice' life for myself. It's not perfect, but at least it'll be interesting.

MrNubyagi · Post by **MrNubyagi** » 28 Nov 2006, 18:52

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Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Nov 2006, 19:04

Even without 'nationality' or 'ethnicity' you still have an opinion. And a opinion is all that's needed for wanting something different than others. You 'perfect world' is differnt from mine, and nothings going to change that.

MrNubyagi · Post by **MrNubyagi** » 28 Nov 2006, 19:06

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1v0ry_k1ng · Post by **1v0ry_k1ng** » 28 Nov 2006, 19:23

Kixxe wrote:A balance between communism and capitalism is the best way, such as the Scandinavian model. Everything that exists needs a balance between two extremes.

And Spike, if your idea of protesting wars it to attack military personal, your a fucktard. Your just hurting people who has nothing to do with the war except joining the army. Now if you want to protest a war, go assassinate the fucking president and the members of the government responsible. If that's not taking it to far of course...

If I was 12, failing at life and really patrotic I would follow your advice to the word, remember that you are responsible if someone follows your advice if its tracked back to you. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY. and getting personal over a political forum is really dumb. if anyone is threatening anyone, they suffer mass E-penis nerf.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Nov 2006, 19:24

I'm sorry...but I'm having trouble figuring out your post.

MrNubyagi · Post by **MrNubyagi** » 28 Nov 2006, 19:51

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MrNubyagi · Post by **MrNubyagi** » 28 Nov 2006, 20:05

lol @ capitalist pig...
you people seem to have no clue whatsoever about efficiency, economics or anything that makes actual societies run. Capitalism is one of the best ways to motivate people to work and increases efficiency and wealth overall. Poor countries and people are more a result of corrupt power structures and unfair trade regulations, not because of

Too bad in capitalism the power is in peoples hands ready to be offered as bribe unlike communism. You forget people are as greedy as they are lazy. Communism makes people work, one way or another, no short-cuts, no middle men parasites. Thats efficiency. Or that was supose to happend at least but didn't happend. Fate...

IDEEA: make political echelons add-on for spring. Capitalist choosers can have their comm extract 100 M and 100 E then give only 50 M and 50 E to you, with the rest buying cuban cigars and paying more visits to the nude bar

, sometimes the builders go on strike for not getting pink bows forcing you to surrender 1000M and 1000E for today fashion.

I got to hand it to spike, making abstraction of his style of saying it

he knows stuff wich tells hes been paying attention at least or documented himself.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Nov 2006, 20:08

But if people are so lazy, then won't communisem wont work, because no matter how hard they work or how hard they DONT work, they'd still get teh same amount of stuff? Unless communisem works in a way completely different than what I've been told...

MrNubyagi · Post by **MrNubyagi** » 28 Nov 2006, 20:13

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SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 28 Nov 2006, 20:44

But if people are so lazy, then won't communisem wont work, because no matter how hard they work or how hard they DONT work, they'd still get teh same amount of stuff?

Capitalism is one of the best ways to motivate people to work and increases efficiency and wealth overall.

Another example of why you actually have no idea what you're talking about. First off, capitalism does the opposite; it unmotivates people to work and specifically to pursue careers they have interest in, rather forcing them to settle for the "best they can get". Socialism, on the other hand, has proven to be a far more powerful motivating factor particularly in motivating workers to pursue careers in sectors that help society -- for example, post-1959, the massive health and education boom that rippled through Cuba that dramatically increased life expectancy and quality and increased literacy and education rates. Need I point out that in both of those sectors, Cuba far outshines America? Secondly, I have NO idea what deep, dark crevice of your ass you're pulling this "increased efficiency" idea from. It goes against every single plausible and legitimate analysis of the global economy that has been made in the last 150 years. Lastly, no, it does not increase wealth overall, only the wealth of the upper class. The quality of life for the middle class has stayed essentially the same, while the quality of life for the lower class is steadily falling.

Please, if you're going to have a debate about economics, learn to read a book or two on the subject, or atleast provide something better than "Well, Capitalism is better, so nyah!"

we need to force everyone to be the same

Again I have no idea where this is coming from. Do you even know what Communism is? This entire time you've basically been talking about Nazism without realising that that isn't actually what Socialism and Communism is about. Have you ever heard of the term "Scientific Socialism" as opposed to "Utopian Socialism"? Communism, as a system, is inherently tasked with releasing every human being from the social chains and contradictions that bind and subdue him. Think about what your life would be like if you didn't have to worry about desperately finding any job straight out of highschool because you knew you would be provided for until you could "land" a job; imagine not having to worry about tuition fees or debt because all education is universally free; imagine not having to worry about selling your car to pay off a healthcare bill because healthcare is universally free; imagine never having to worry about being laid off, or being fired, or "expropriated", or holding an unstable job; etc. Rather, you would be free to pursue any interest, any career you pleased, because attaining it wouldn't be a matter of monetary funds.

If you want to know what Communism is I suggest you read the Communist Manifesto (don't worry, it's only like 20 pages) or better yet, read "Principles of Communism" by Frederick Engels. It too is very short and you could finish it in 5 minutes. Or if you're more adventurous you could try Engels' "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific", "Wage-Labor and Capital", or Marx's "Capital", or Lenin's "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism", or "Left-Wing Childishness".

Or, if you're very lazy and don't want to read, watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j1oGIffyVVk

The animated Communist Manifestoon!

Fanger · Post by **Fanger** » 28 Nov 2006, 21:10

and blowing up soldiers in america, will stop this so called world wide take over by the upperclass of the worlds economic/political systems...

yes I can see that..

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 28 Nov 2006, 21:12

It is but one of many actions needed to do so.

Fanger · Post by **Fanger** » 28 Nov 2006, 21:15

yes because said soldiers arent forced into such an occupation by the take over of the upper class of the wider social/economic systems, thereby forcing minorites, and the already lower class groups to seek methods of employment, the army being one of the main ones, since they require nearly no education or prior experience in anything..

I can see that maiming and killing the unfortunate slaves of the upperclass will definately endear them to us and allow us to eventually overthrow this oppression..

this black and white nonsense is fun..

MrNubyagi · Post by **MrNubyagi** » 28 Nov 2006, 22:45

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Fanger · Post by **Fanger** » 28 Nov 2006, 22:49

Im sure that will work, only wait, we have yet to achieve this.. gasp could that be because its not possible and is an unattainable Ideal.. perhaps, or perhaps we have simply not evolved enough, but then you cant prove evolution so some nuts say.. therefore I ask you.. IF the ideal state is such as you say, and that it is as you say attainable easily.. why have we not succeeded in attaining that, why has such a society NEVER existed.. hrm..

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 28 Nov 2006, 22:54

MrNubyagi wrote:If you don't know what pigs i'm talking about READ animal farm, its a never dying book that was far better than the craptastic cartoon8)

Fixed it for you

Also you people keep saying I'm oppressed by the capitalistic elite...but I don't feel particularly oppressed. You could say that I'm being brainwashed by a complex cast system that had existed unjustly for centuries...or you could say I'm not being particularly oppressed.

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