Meh Internet explorer 7

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 20 Oct 2006, 13:13

Well, I (Suppose?) am using it. I don't have spyware or nothing, I open my search pages in about .4 of a second..

I think someone has a crappy connection or something, cuz it doesn't seem all that bad to me...

Edit: Yeah, I still get banners... Those aren't a big deal except for two year olds..

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 20 Oct 2006, 14:16

El Capitano wrote:Actually, a mark-up language is intended to give a document semantic meaning. HTML doesn't specify at a pixel-level how documents should be rendered.

I don't mind it not rendering the same at a pixel level, I mean the way they can cause loss of infomation due to it failing to render the same on all browers, other odd stuff it does. Surly you must have come across the weird pasting text ontop of itself error, were what works in fire foxs, ends up all garbeld in IE. I was just saying why can't they all do it the same.

aGorm

El Capitano · Post by **El Capitano** » 20 Oct 2006, 16:29

aGorm wrote:I don't mind it not rendering the same at a pixel level, I mean the way they can cause loss of infomation due to it failing to render the same on all browers, other odd stuff it does.

Browsers conforming to the HTML standards never cause loss of information from valid HTML due to rendering differences.

Surly you must have come across the weird pasting text ontop of itself error, were what works in fire foxs, ends up all garbeld in IE. I was just saying why can't they all do it the same.

Well, actually, no, and you're asking the wrong question. You should be asking "why does IE still have all these daft bugs"? After all, the rendering differences between all of the other major browsers are negligable.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 20 Oct 2006, 18:11

IE installs with Windows, 3rd party does not, less simple to install.
This is a capitalistic world, water follows the path of least resistance, needs drives the man, i run the simplest way wich is also the fastest and user friendliest, i keep Opera in case IE haters made a site inaccesible with IE. Want me to use Opera? Pay me

MS simply neglected the internet browser part since a law suit way back. Thats all, theres nothing else a multibillion company can't do; that is if it "wishes" so. Competition is good alltough in some cases conspiracy theories indicate it exist for the sake of law competition shaking hands w/o any problems and high place people making high digit numbers while the wise masses battle it out on the internet over trivial things. I personally will not Keep opera as the default because IMHO its the browser of choice for webdesigners wich are the most arrogant programmers in the comunity perhaps, thus i chose not to support them. The only reason sme sites show bad in IE is the poor programming behind it, i'm not saying IE is easier than Opera to handle, just that webdesigners should diserve the money they make by becoming true programmers with knowledge of more than php, javascript, html and some round-about other scriptings.

El Capitano · Post by **El Capitano** » 20 Oct 2006, 19:17

raneti wrote:IE installs with Windows, 3rd party does not, less simple to install.

How is installing IE7 any simpler than installing any other browser? Aside from getting pressured to launch the installer by Windows Update, that is?

This is a capitalistic world, water follows the path of least resistance, needs drives the man, i run the simplest way wich is also the fastest and user friendliest,

Opera's the fastest and how is IE any more user-friendly than Firefox?

i keep Opera in case IE haters made a site inaccesible with IE. Want me to use Opera? Pay me MS simply neglected the internet browser part since a law suit way back.

Yes, MS abandoned you after it had stamped out the competition. Wow, aren't you glad you're supporting a company that'll leave you high-and-dry the first chance it gets

I personally will not Keep opera as the default because IMHO its the browser of choice for webdesigners wich are the most arrogant programmers in the comunity perhaps, thus i chose not to support them.

Translation: "I'm going to cut my nose off to spite my face". What's even funnier is that you're wrong! Firefox is favoured by considerably more developers, largely due to things like the developer toolbar and the Javascript debugger.

The only reason sme sites show bad in IE is the poor programming behind it,

See, now you're showing you know absolutely nothing about yet another subject. IE has terrible standards support and only now, 5+ years after everybody else, does IE support transparent PNGs.

i'm not saying IE is easier than Opera to handle, just that webdesigners should diserve the money they make by becoming true programmers with knowledge of more than php, javascript, html and some round-about other scriptings.

Hahahahaha! Javascript is actually a very good programming language, web applications are developed in a variety of languages and you have no idea the work that goes into some applications.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 20 Oct 2006, 19:55

IE has terrible standards support and only now, 5+ years after everybody else, does IE support transparent PNGs.

You mean 32 bit PNGs. 8 bit PNGs are fully supported by IE6. 32 bit as well but it neglected the alpha channel somwhat.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 20 Oct 2006, 20:39

Yes, MS abandoned you after it had stamped out the competition.

read some history, for the rest i don't even bother...

This site doesn't seem to have any flaw showing perfectly well in my IE.
Alltogheter I like my windows looking the same, and i like to blend internet explorer with windows explorer. I liek standardization and thats not about to change. The incoming IE must have some bad flaws for me or anyone else to drop it. From what i hear it will improve a lot so good news.

El Capitano · Post by **El Capitano** » 20 Oct 2006, 21:24

raneti wrote:
Yes, MS abandoned you after it had stamped out the competition.
read some history, for the rest i don't even bother...
I'm well aware of the history of the situation. The IE team was disbanded after IE6 was released as MS had effectively removed Netscape from the game. Once Firefox started gaining traction, MS re-assembled the IE team to play catch-up.
This site doesn't seem to have any flaw showing perfectly well in my IE.
Well duh. That's like asking why IE6 doesn't run on Windows 3.1. After all, IE5 did.
Alltogheter I like my windows looking the same, and i like to blend internet explorer with windows explorer.
Well, IE7's about to change all that. Bad luck!
I liek standardization and thats not about to change.
Ah, so you support Mozilla, Opera and Safari then? They stick to the standards, IE doesn't.
The incoming IE must have some bad flaws for me or anyone else to drop it. From what i hear it will improve a lot so good news.

Well, it's got a non-standard interface, it still doesn't support standards as well as everybody else, will require re-learning the interface, will break a number of sites that use IE hacks and isn't any faster than the competition. So, by your own reasonining, you'll be switching to something else.

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 21 Oct 2006, 01:14

El Capitano wrote:
raneti wrote: read some history, for the rest i don't even bother...
I'm well aware of the history of the situation. The IE team was disbanded after IE6 was released as MS had effectively removed Netscape from the game. Once Firefox started gaining traction, MS re-assembled the IE team to play catch-up.
This site doesn't seem to have any flaw showing perfectly well in my IE.
Well duh. That's like asking why IE6 doesn't run on Windows 3.1. After all, IE5 did.
Alltogheter I like my windows looking the same, and i like to blend internet explorer with windows explorer.
Well, IE7's about to change all that. Bad luck!
I liek standardization and thats not about to change.
Ah, so you support Mozilla, Opera and Safari then? They stick to the standards, IE doesn't.
The incoming IE must have some bad flaws for me or anyone else to drop it. From what i hear it will improve a lot so good news.
Well, it's got a non-standard interface, it still doesn't support standards as well as everybody else, will require re-learning the interface, will break a number of sites that use IE hacks and isn't any faster than the competition. So, by your own reasonining, you'll be switching to something else.

And to add to that, note that a good majority of IE7's "features" are stuff that has been in firefox, opera and so on for years now. Tabbed browsing, whup de do.

Risasi · Post by **Risasi** » 21 Oct 2006, 05:01

Gaaa!!

This thread hasn't died?

MSIE is like prison, I ain't ever going back...there, nuff said.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 21 Oct 2006, 11:55

It's a pain in the butt but I used it a long time before too. With tons of third party programs to prevent possible exploits.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 21 Oct 2006, 12:53

twas bound for a browser battle to begin

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 21 Oct 2006, 14:05

IE is like Windows itself, not the best tool available, pretty shoddy compared to the competition, even. But with Windows it has so much software that just isn't available on other OSes (especially games). IE doesn't have that as the shoddily made websites are getting fewer and IE7 even unbreaks the rendering so the shoddy websites now display properly and don't work (i.e. are the way they should be).

I use Opera because I prefer its interface. Hold RMB, click LMB -> back, hold RMB, use mousewheel -> switch tabs, hit F12 to enable or disable things that annoy you (sound in websites, Flash, animated gifs, all off for me and using the site preferences to enable them for websites that need them), easy ad blocking (though I think FF's extensions are better for that but most blocking is done by my hosts file anyway), easy whitelisting of websites for anything you disabled (I set Opera to block cookies but can easily enable them for websites I want to allow), customizable interface, the "trashcan" to bring back accidentally closed tabs, one click for forcing websites to use your own CSS instead of theirs if you encounter e.g. light blue text on pink background, ...

Oh and the quick history navigation which also means I can press back and text in the text fields is still there.

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Meh Internet explorer 7