beginners (Newbe) download pack

goggleBOX · Post by **goggleBOX** » 18 Sep 2006, 09:36

Link for my map pack:
http://www.unknown-files.net/index.php? ... &dlid=1711

Or to make it easier to remember use:
http://tinyurl.com/frael

Or just point them to my site which will link to the latest version as they come out.
http://sardines.co.nz/spring/

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I was thinking a mod and map pack aimed at new players would be a very welcome item to the download list.

Basically something that is all set up in a zip file that you simply unzip into your spring directory and everything ends up in the right place.

To start us off I suggest the following.

Mods

* (AA) Absolute Annihilation 2.11 Full
* Expand and Exterminate v 0.163
* War Evolution 1.62

Maps

* Altored_Divide
* Brazillian_BattlefieldV2
* Castles
* Comet Catcher Remake-v02
* GreenCometV3
* Green_Fields
* Small Supreme Battlefield
* SpeedMetal
* SpeedMetalDuo v2
* Supreme Battlefield
* XantheTerra_v4

I have added the list to my spring page:
http://sardines.co.nz/spring/

If you wish to add/suggest something please provide links! This is very important as I can not add something if I do not know where to find it.

Remeber every added map adds to the total download size. I am thining about leaving out Supreme Battlefield to save on 50MB.

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 18 Sep 2006, 10:49

You really don't need two SpeedMetals maps. Rather include some nice 1v1 one.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 18 Sep 2006, 10:50

You FAIL.

Start over with the map list.

Ishach · Post by **Ishach** » 18 Sep 2006, 12:01

Das Bruce wrote:You FAIL.

Start over with the map list.

What a delightfully constructive post

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 18 Sep 2006, 12:36

Castles, Green_Fields, SpeedMetal, SpeedMetalDuo v2 are all commonly held to be utterly shameful examples of spring mapping. Altored divide while good is horrendouly overplayed. There is no reason to have duplicates, GreenCometV3 + Comet Catcher Remake-v02 and Small Supreme Battlefield + Supreme Battlefield.

Maplist == FAIL.

Mod list is a start but abismally short.

goggleBOX · Post by **goggleBOX** » 18 Sep 2006, 12:38

Hellspawn wrote:You really don't need two SpeedMetals maps. Rather include some nice 1v1 one.

Suggestions? Links?

Remeber new players JOIN games they don't host them. What maps are being played the most?

Right now in the lobby I can see a game for "speedmetal" and "speedmetalduo v2". Ok so some of you may think speed metal isn't a real map and only losers play it but it really IS getting played all of the time and so is SMDuo.

Das Bruce wrote:Mod list is a start but abismally short.

It is ment to be short. I could include every mod but that would be difficult to maintain and oppressivly large to download. This is a beginners download pack, not a "every file you'll ever need" pack.

In reality I should just include AA. XTA and AA account for about 80% of games played*. More than enough for beginners.

* http://taspring.clan-sy.com/stats/

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 18 Sep 2006, 12:47

It might be getting played all the time, but that still doesnt mean its GOOD. People play it cause its easy to rush a krog, thats all. That isnt what the game should be about. Sure, some people enjoy it, but thats not how the mods are supposed to be played, we need the newbs to play the game like its ment to be played, they can join SM/GF players later if thats what they want to do.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 18 Sep 2006, 12:48

Maelstrom wrote:It might be getting played all the time, but that still doesnt mean its GOOD. People play it cause its easy to rush a krog, thats all. That isnt what the game should be about. Sure, some people enjoy it, but thats not how the mods are supposed to be played, we need the newbs to play the game like its ment to be played, they can join SM/GF players later if thats what they want to do.

Stompage. Maelstrom FTW.

goggleBOX · Post by **goggleBOX** » 18 Sep 2006, 12:52

I don't want this pack to be mapist... I want people to download it and then find they can join 75% of the games been hosted. It's like saying I refuse to sell you anything with too much sugar in it when you run a candy store!

If you think there should be something in the video about discourging people from playing SM and GF type maps then PLEASE make a suggestion in the video thread.
http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7144

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 18 Sep 2006, 13:00

I don't want you to be mapist either, I just want you to not pick crap and insult all the hard working mappers out there who actually try.

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 18 Sep 2006, 13:02

Maelstrom wrote:There should be a note about Speedmetal in the video. It should tell people what this map is, and how it differs from a 'normal' map, and suggest to people to at least TRY other maps before trying SM, as the SM maps are not what mods take as the norm, therefore ruining the balance of said mods. It shouldnt say 'ZOMG DONT PLYA SPEDEMTAEL TI SUXORZ!!!1!11!!', but just tell people that other maps do exist, and are taken as better maps by the majority of the community.

Posted in the other thread as per goggles suggestion.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 18 Sep 2006, 13:26

Include Speedmetal. Pepole are WAY overeacting about it. Speedmetal is about.... 25-20% of the games played in spring, not 70% like most think.

Just include a Readme with some guidelines. "Speedmetal makes for fast and mostly mindless gameplay. Thou new players seem to enjoy the simplefied slugfeasts, it is shunned by the large base of "Pro" players. It's kinda of a love it/hate it map." or something.

goggleBOX · Post by **goggleBOX** » 18 Sep 2006, 13:27

OK... can I bring the conversation onto what maps SHOULD be included in the package? Is this list going to cover enough of the games new players are going to join?

Ishach · Post by **Ishach** » 18 Sep 2006, 13:32

I'd definitely leave out big supreme, I rarely ever see it played.

Replace it with Cooper Hill

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 18 Sep 2006, 17:44

Additional maps to include (based on # of downloads, filesize, and quality of gameplay IMO):
MoonQX (of course

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Greenhaven
TheColdPlace
RiverDale
CooperHill
Crossing_4_final
CoastToCoast
FrozenGauntlet
LowlandCrossing
GeyserPlains

If you eliminate the 50MB supreme battlefield (not small) you could probably fit all these maps into that space. I'm sure there are others that I have missed.

Maps not to inlude:
Porc maps or maps non-standard resource distributions. If you must include a "speed" map, speed comet would be a good choice. This is an opportunity to encourage new players to pick up the game the right way, rather than just playing speed maps, getting bored quickly, and leaving.[/url]

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 18 Sep 2006, 18:00

i prefer greenhaven remake >:3 gg btw

bamb · Post by **bamb** » 18 Sep 2006, 18:22

include some AI:s, installed in the right way. Ones that work with current spring. They're not big. And then SpringSP latest version too, it works like a charm. Someone who knows the current status of all AI:s can post here, I don't and don't wanna get flamed, as I don't know where they all stand, I just use some.

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 18 Sep 2006, 19:32

Include XTA or I'll cut you.

edit...that is...i dont think im entirely rational at the moment.

excuse me

pintle · Post by **pintle** » 18 Sep 2006, 22:01

+1 to the idea of speed comet instead of speed metal, and LordMatt's maplist FTW

goggleBOX · Post by **goggleBOX** » 18 Sep 2006, 22:04

bamb wrote:include some AI:s, installed in the right way. Ones that work with current spring. They're not big. And then SpringSP latest version too, it works like a charm. Someone who knows the current status of all AI:s can post here, I don't and don't wanna get flamed, as I don't know where they all stand, I just use some.

If I add AIs then I have to explain them in the video :)

New players don't NEED the extra AIs to start playing. It is probable better in some ways that they get a couple of games under their belt before they have to try and understand them all.

I though about adding SpringSP for a long time as I use it all the time and it is nicer to use than the lobby for singleplayer games. I decided not to include it as you don't NEED it to play single player (the lobby is good enough) and it would then become another whole interface new players would have to learn.

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beginners (Newbe) download pack

beginners (Newbe) download pack