Two small suggestions

Molloy · Post by **Molloy** » 28 Aug 2006, 21:01

1.)

How about making the "overhead (TA) style camera" like the actual TA camera angle. It's too 3d. I know some people might think it looks better (with the TA models it really doesn't) but it makes playing more cumbersome. Units get half hidden behind buildings, making them annoying to drag select. The fact that if you drag select some buildings+units in Spring you can't issue a move order like you could in TA anyway.

Only discovered a couple of days ago you could change it with ctrl+scrollwheel. All the same, it's annoying to have to mess around everytime I start a game.

Nobody uses the Total War style camera anyway, so having another more functional option would be alot better.

2.)

How about being able to issue orders with your Commander during the count down at the start of the game. Would take a little bit of the panic out of the early game where you're drinking your coffee, scratching your arse and generally not very prepared for a 5 second warning. Just give the players 10 seconds to click a couple of solars, a couple of extractors and get themselves ready.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 28 Aug 2006, 21:24

To 1, I belived JC was working on a classic fixed OTA view as part of his new map rederer.

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 28 Aug 2006, 21:32

In addition to that, there's the possibility of doing an even truer OTA-style camera, which would have an orthographic perspective. Not that I would ever use it, but it's an idea.

[edit- in response to post below]I didn't know that that was what you meant. If it is true, my mistake...[/edit]

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 28 Aug 2006, 21:40

I thought he WAS working on an orthographic camera?

unpossible · Post by **unpossible** » 28 Aug 2006, 21:45

keep the existing one too though!

Gnomre · Post by **Gnomre** » 28 Aug 2006, 22:16

I believe you can set your default camera somewhere in Settings.exe. Not that any are better than the TA camera for actually playing atm, just noting this

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 28 Aug 2006, 22:16

SinbadEV wrote:I thought he WAS working on an orthographic camera?

Oh, my god I hate those... It looks like part of the unit (In wings3d) is extra large to compensate for being father away...

AF · Post by AF » 28 Aug 2006, 23:12

An orthographic view would allow the minimum specs of spring to eb dropped a lot.
However I suggested it on the mailing list and there was some discussion which resutled in a yes it would be good lets put it in the spring 2.0 roadmap.

So nobody is working on it right now, and work has yet to even begin.....

Guessmyname · Post by **Guessmyname** » 29 Aug 2006, 00:32

Gnome wrote:I believe you can set your default camera somewhere in Settings.exe. Not that any are better than the TA camera for actually playing atm, just noting this :P

I'm a fan of the rotating camera myself. It's all a matter of taste, anyway

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 29 Aug 2006, 01:04

AF wrote:An orthographic view would allow the minimum specs of spring to eb dropped a lot.
However I suggested it on the mailing list and there was some discussion which resutled in a yes it would be good lets put it in the spring 2.0 roadmap.

So nobody is working on it right now, and work has yet to even begin.....

I think you should separate orthographic view, and an optimized software renderer / or the GL renderer but only with sprites.

An orthographic view would be fairly easy (for anyone knowing OpenGL, C++ & 3d math), it's a matter of redesigning the camera interface so gluPerspective() is in the cameras itself, then adding a new camera that doesn't use gluPerspective() for the projection matrix but glOrtho() or something alike.

The other thing, which would allow spring minimum specs to be dropped, is far more work, and indeed, if that's ever going to be implemented, it won't be before spring 1.9.

AF · Post by AF » 29 Aug 2006, 02:02

At this rate the sub AI will be having intelligent conversatiosn with you about nuclear physics by spring 1.9

Sheekel · Post by **Sheekel** » 29 Aug 2006, 02:23

if you hold CTRL and rotate the mouse wheel you can change the angle of the overhead camera

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 29 Aug 2006, 07:47

Yes, he said that in the first post.

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 29 Aug 2006, 09:52

AF wrote:At this rate the sub AI will be having intelligent conversatiosn with you about nuclear physics by spring 1.9

Point being...?

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 29 Aug 2006, 10:07

Tobi wrote:
AF wrote:At this rate the sub AI will be having intelligent conversatiosn with you about nuclear physics by spring 1.9
Point being...?

Either its a long way off, you guys are slow, or both.

Whats the eta on the next release anyway? I hear its been branched?

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 29 Aug 2006, 10:37

If no one makes a patch for it it's a long way off yes

The feature isn't important enough to waste my time on IMHO...

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 29 Aug 2006, 16:00

I use the Total War camera. I do wish the pan and speed-scroll worked properly on it, though.

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Two small suggestions

Two small suggestions