The biggest problem with online games...

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 17 Jan 2007, 21:58

Is balance.

Balance over a lot of things actually: Balanced maps, balanced weapons but most importantly, balance over players.

By that i mean FAIR TEAMS and PEPOLE OF YOUR OWN SKILL LEVEL.

I've never, EVER, seen a game where I've been able to play for 3-4 days, and then find players of my own (or slightly below

) skill level. All i find is experienced plp ganging on less experienced people (that's why i hate gunbound), games with horrible teams (I don't play a lot of CS anymore) and finally, players with a skill level way above mine (which pretty much rules out the entire multilayer library, including spring).

This annoys me to great length, since most of the goals in the game (and ergo, the rewards) are based on winning, having a chance of winning, or at least accomplishing something. Feeling you make a difference, or do something cool like sniper some guy, or take a important objective instead of dieing horrible after 2 seconds.

And another thing that annoys me is how game producers forgets the AI...
prettier graphics, but oh, the units still cant get around a barrel and in the end gets stuck in midair thanks to some box, screwing their animation up and making them look like they're having a seizure.
Or when your fighting 2 sides at once (flood&covenant, combine&zombies) is that everyone wants to kill you. As soon as your discovered, forget about alllll the firefight and just go RAGH at the player. I can't just let them battle it out, cuz then i " miss the excitement".

BLAH, RANT! >:O

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 18 Jan 2007, 01:40

World War 2 Games FTW there. A guy can be the best pro ever in CS, but give him a bolt action and he's useless

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 18 Jan 2007, 05:19

BlackLiger wrote:World War 2 Games FTW there. A guy can be the best pro ever in CS, but give him a bolt action and he's useless

Not really, a rail gun's a rail gun, no matter what game you put it in. That's why people whine about the AWP in CS. The top CS pro's dominate if you put any FPS in their hands, they might not be able to compete with the top UT2k4 pro's but they would easily compete with the lower ranks, simply because their reaction speed in centering a target is inhuman, and they very quickly develop the logic to optimizing whatever game they play, due to having to situationally adapt a million times through out their gaming career. Most of the top CS pro's came out of the quake scene, and many of them multigame anyways.

As someone very familiar with this issue, my stance on this is that it's basically impossible to find equal skilled players pubbing, for virtually any game if you want to find players in your skill range to play you need to join the competitive ranks. For most games if you aren't good enough to be a competitive player someone will pity you and train you to the point where you can make the bottom ranks.

Day · Post by **Day** » 18 Jan 2007, 07:32

heheheh, am i lucky i have a talent for games

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 18 Jan 2007, 13:16

SwiftSpear wrote:
BlackLiger wrote:World War 2 Games FTW there. A guy can be the best pro ever in CS, but give him a bolt action and he's useless
Not really, a rail gun's a rail gun, no matter what game you put it in. That's why people whine about the AWP in CS. The top CS pro's dominate if you put any FPS in their hands, they might not be able to compete with the top UT2k4 pro's but they would easily compete with the lower ranks, simply because their reaction speed in centering a target is inhuman, and they very quickly develop the logic to optimizing whatever game they play, due to having to situationally adapt a million times through out their gaming career. Most of the top CS pro's came out of the quake scene, and many of them multigame anyways.

As someone very familiar with this issue, my stance on this is that it's basically impossible to find equal skilled players pubbing, for virtually any game if you want to find players in your skill range to play you need to join the competitive ranks. For most games if you aren't good enough to be a competitive player someone will pity you and train you to the point where you can make the bottom ranks.

Har. I love knowing the ex British champ at CS. He are get his arse handed to him by bots these days <_<

Aun · Post by **Aun** » 18 Jan 2007, 16:08

... Is finding a good one.

Comp1337 · Post by **Comp1337** » 18 Jan 2007, 16:14

I play too little nowadays, but im up for an 1v1 anytime (Uberleet)

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 18 Jan 2007, 17:00

The biggest problem are the retarded ^^ players xD you are forced to play with. Kids (up to 25+) and internet don't go well together.

Strategia · Post by **Strategia** » 18 Jan 2007, 17:13

rattle wrote:The biggest problem are the retarded ^^ players xD you are forced to play with. Kids (up to 25+) and internet don't go well together.

I disagree. Kids (up to 25+) and the internet are like politics; 90% of the kids give the other 10% a bad reputation.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 18 Jan 2007, 17:19

However, 90% of the kids ARE the bad reputition.

Strategia · Post by **Strategia** » 18 Jan 2007, 17:24

rattle wrote:However, 90% of the kids ARE the bad reputition.

That's what I said. :)

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 18 Jan 2007, 17:33

And that's what I usually get to play with unless I can convince some of my friends. You probably haven't seen many^^ german^^ gamer xD kids!!1 yet... though they begin to populate spring as well. They're like the mentally challenged brother you make fun of but never wanted.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 18 Jan 2007, 17:47

rattle wrote:And that's what I usually get to play with unless I can convince some of my friends. You probably haven't seen many^^ german^^ gamer xD kids!!1 yet... though they begin to populate spring as well. They're like the mentally challenged brother you make fun of but never wanted.

I need to post the video again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9pgOmlHE2k

manored · Post by **manored** » 18 Jan 2007, 17:58

Kixxe wrote:Is balance.

Balance over a lot of things actually: Balanced maps, balanced weapons but most importantly, balance over players.

By that i mean FAIR TEAMS and PEPOLE OF YOUR OWN SKILL LEVEL.

I've never, EVER, seen a game where I've been able to play for 3-4 days, and then find players of my own (or slightly below ) skill level. All i find is experienced plp ganging on less experienced people (that's why i hate gunbound), games with horrible teams (I don't play a lot of CS anymore) and finally, players with a skill level way above mine (which pretty much rules out the entire multilayer library, including spring).

This annoys me to great length, since most of the goals in the game (and ergo, the rewards) are based on winning, having a chance of winning, or at least accomplishing something. Feeling you make a difference, or do something cool like sniper some guy, or take a important objective instead of dieing horrible after 2 seconds.

And another thing that annoys me is how game producers forgets the AI...
prettier graphics, but oh, the units still cant get around a barrel and in the end gets stuck in midair thanks to some box, screwing their animation up and making them look like they're having a seizure.
Or when your fighting 2 sides at once (flood&covenant, combine&zombies) is that everyone wants to kill you. As soon as your discovered, forget about alllll the firefight and just go RAGH at the player. I can't just let them battle it out, cuz then i " miss the excitement".

BLAH, RANT! >:O

Did you ever played CoC (call of combat) ? Its a game where there is always someone you beat easly, someone you fell that is your nemesis and someone that crushes you completly...

In TA spring I fell that or a person is in the same level as me or its better but oh well I will get better.

Strategia · Post by **Strategia** » 18 Jan 2007, 18:05

LathanStanley wrote:
rattle wrote:And that's what I usually get to play with unless I can convince some of my friends. You probably haven't seen many^^ german^^ gamer xD kids!!1 yet... though they begin to populate spring as well. They're like the mentally challenged brother you make fun of but never wanted.
I need to post the video again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9pgOmlHE2k

Hey, Rattle!

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 18 Jan 2007, 19:00

That video is made up by the way... that kid made some more useless videos and put them on youtube I think. However that's not the average german gamer, they're older, unemployed and live off the welfare.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 29 Jan 2007, 19:44

Just on the topic of AI, i just replayed part of HL2 and noticed something...

you know that scene where that huge striders bursts trougth the colapsed wall behind you and goes crazy? well, i've noticed, that it ONLY aims at you. So if you crouch behind a container, your allies can fire at it and it won't do a thing.

Comp1337 · Post by **Comp1337** » 29 Jan 2007, 20:32

NECROPOST CAN I BE IN HERE TOO I LOVE POSTING

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 29 Jan 2007, 21:25

Speaking of posting I got more spam points than you and I got a half^H^H^H^H 3/4 years less on the clock...

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 29 Jan 2007, 22:29

huh weird, it WAS displayed this as a thread with new posts and up the list.

Whoops.

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