Final Frontier XE

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 27 Oct 2006, 09:13

Oasis and I have decided to do a little tweaking of FF 1.19. Now, before the flamewar starts and topics start getting locked, the tweak does not edit balancing in any way. Rather it "extends" it. Below is the small list of changes:

Final Frontier 1.19 Extended Edition
- ALL Weapon ranges have been doubled
- ALL unit sightdistance, radardistance, and sonardistance have been doubled
- ALL weapons (except for missiles and rockets) that utilized a 3do model for their projectile have been modified to use Spring weapon graphics (ie, coloured laser/plasma shot).
- Uber battlestations can now be built in "space" as opposed to only on solid ground

That's about all that's been changed. No energy or metal cost, buildtime, unit health or weapon damage characteristic has been changed. I'll put up a link shorty (we're not quite done). I don't expect many people to be interested, but I thought I'd post, at the very least so that Optimus (if he's still working on it) knows that we replaced all of the weapon models with graphics, if he wants to include it in the next version. Really these changes are purely to suit me and Oasis.

bwansy · Post by **bwansy** » 27 Oct 2006, 18:45

SpikedHelmet wrote:- ALL weapons (except for missiles and rockets) that utilized a 3do model for their projectile have been modified to use Spring weapon graphics (ie, coloured laser/plasma shot).

Do you mean the Arm's plasma cannons? I would love to see that becuase in space everything is weightless, so they would fly straight instead of falling down like they are now. And textured bolts would look much cooler than the 3do models.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 27 Oct 2006, 21:59

Like that?

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 27 Oct 2006, 23:28

Yep, and this

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 27 Oct 2006, 23:50

Just make sure the core is white (rgbcolor2). Non-white cores = ugly on dark background.

Dash_Riprock · Post by **Dash_Riprock** » 27 Oct 2006, 23:51

Sorry if this is too related to the balance issues you were trying to avoid talking about, but if there is one thing in FF that I think needs changing, it's this.

The huge anti-capital ship weapons should miss fighters far more often than they do. This would add to both realism and balance, and it honestly seems like that was the way it was meant to be, but didnt work out.

Once again, if you were trying to avoid this kind of suggestion, thats fine.

Noruas · Post by **Noruas** » 28 Oct 2006, 01:02

Are those models, if not, can i ask how u did it?

Note: a star trek space mod is becoming more possible for spring.

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 28 Oct 2006, 02:47

zOMG <3 Star Trek

No they are not models. And rather than take the time to explain it improperly, simply download the friggen weapon: http://www.unknown-files.net/index.php? ... &dlid=1875

Contains 3 files, everything you need (I think). Just take a look at it, put the weapon into your mod, give whatever unit the weapon and load that shit up.

mecha · Post by **mecha** » 28 Oct 2006, 04:08

Sweet! nice to know development on this is continuing, new projectiles look cool!

Noruas · Post by **Noruas** » 28 Oct 2006, 19:59

Thx, i appreciate it, ill find a cool way to use it for xta i bet.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » 28 Oct 2006, 20:06

Noruas wrote:Are those models, if not, can i ask how u did it?

Note: a star trek space mod is becoming more possible for spring.

Basic tractor beams are possible as well. Difficult to control though.

1v0ry_k1ng · Post by **1v0ry_k1ng** » 28 Oct 2006, 21:08

negative impulse?

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » 28 Oct 2006, 22:11

Yeah. It'd have to be a visual trick though - invisible rapid fire lasers slaved to the graphical 'beam' effect, since beamlasers don't follow the rules of impulsefactor and company.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 29 Oct 2006, 00:02

Shouldn't be too difficult to get a decent tractor beam effect. Using a scrollspeed of 0, and fair tilelength/thickness to scale the texture accordingly. Texture itself can be pretty small. I made such an effect (out of accident) a week ago or so.

REVENGE · Post by **REVENGE** » 30 Oct 2006, 02:31

Nemo wrote:Yeah. It'd have to be a visual trick though - invisible rapid fire lasers slaved to the graphical 'beam' effect, since beamlasers don't follow the rules of impulsefactor and company.

OH! That's why i couldn't do a beam laser tractor beam. Actually, could you just use the OTA method of making beamlasers using burst?

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » 30 Oct 2006, 02:40

beamlasers don't follow the burstfire tags either. Normal lasers do though, and I think that's what you were referring to, so yeah, sure.

mecha · Post by **mecha** » 03 Nov 2006, 09:55

*bump*

Any sign of a release?

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 03 Nov 2006, 11:04

While you are messing with FF, there are some ugly things in it. One is the nanolather on the armccrus. It looks totally out of place nor does it move. There was more but I forgot half of it...

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 03 Nov 2006, 17:35

http://www.unknown-files.net/index.php? ... &dlid=1887

We ended up not doing most of the graphical upgrades on account of a large bug we ran into. However this version has all of the main changes.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 03 Nov 2006, 18:30

Those projectiles look amazing crazy good...

and Star Trek?!?!?!?! STAR TREK!

BABYLON 5 FOR THE WIN! That show has got FIVE Wolf 359's in its THIRD SEASON...ALONE!

And physics are actually...there in Babylon 5. And the idea that space ships can move in three dimensions. And they don't have sissy sheilds. It's ALL about Point Defence weapons and missles.

But let me try this out and see if expanding the ranges makes the game better...and who knows, it just might.

Spring RTS Engine

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