Fusion plants

EXit_W0und · Post by **EXit_W0und** » 29 Sep 2006, 09:46

Think you lot will find this interesting :)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006 ... 699035.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006 ... 606707.htm

Now all we need to do is find a way to convert energy into metal...

Post by **jcnossen** » 29 Sep 2006, 10:53

w00t

It sucks that ITER takes so much time though... I am 60 by the time we have free energy everywhere :S

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 29 Sep 2006, 12:18

I'm wondering if that thing had a positive outoput or if it took more power to ignite than it produced. AFAIK there are several working fusion systems that were tested already but they all had negative energy balance which means they output less energy than you need to put into them.

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 29 Sep 2006, 12:36

KDR_11k wrote:I'm wondering if that thing had a positive outoput or if it took more power to ignite than it produced. AFAIK there are several working fusion systems that were tested already but they all had negative energy balance which means they output less energy than you need to put into them.

True. The Problem is not keep this things stable - it is using the Energy.. biggest Problems is that the Plasma becomes unstable if contaminated with even just smallest amounts of anything else.

krogothe · Post by **krogothe** » 29 Sep 2006, 14:01

Yeah i actually wonder how the useful energy is extracted from a fusion reactor. Boiling water at 100,000,000 degrees doesnt sound terribly efficient!

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 29 Sep 2006, 14:53

krogothe wrote:Yeah i actually wonder how the useful energy is extracted from a fusion reactor. Boiling water at 100,000,000 degrees doesnt sound terribly efficient!

Well, the system they use potentially could reach equilibrium, where they put no energy in and it simply self sustains. In such a case they wouldn't need an efficient collection method, just a functional one. It's still a long ways off though to say the least.

Deathblane · Post by **Deathblane** » 29 Sep 2006, 14:57

Meh, the chinese are no closer than everyone else. The first fusion reactor to achieve breakeven will be the ITER in france, when it gets built.

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 29 Sep 2006, 19:25

"... The first tests ... generated an electrical current of 200 kiloamperes, ..."

Anyway, related to that i see too

Thermalnuclear weapons

Ok, i'm just a freak. Where everyone is talking about a breackthough energy source, i'm seeing a breakeverything weapon.

jackalope · Post by **jackalope** » 29 Sep 2006, 19:59

EXit_W0und wrote:Think you lot will find this interesting :)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006 ... 699035.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006 ... 606707.htm

Now all we need to do is find a way to convert energy into metal...

and we can have one thousands years of total war? no thanks, hah.

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 29 Sep 2006, 20:21

Deathblane wrote:Meh, the chinese are no closer than everyone else. The first fusion reactor to achieve breakeven will be the ITER in france, when it gets built.

But given the choice, I'd let the chinese nuke themselves accidentally, rather than the French. Not for racial reasons, mind. Simple self interest, I'm far closer to France right now than I am to China.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 29 Sep 2006, 21:02

No no, it's four thousand years.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 29 Sep 2006, 21:32

Well, better than forty thousand.

PaulMorfeo: Fusion reactors are much more difficult to build than fusion bombs. Fusion bombs are easy if you have the materials (which the Chinese definitely do).

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 29 Sep 2006, 22:13

and we can have one thousands years of total war? no thanks, hah.

Sorry for the Quote in Quote - but we are in a TA related Board. Here Total War always lasts for fourthousand years..... Chinese Organisation for Recycling Enemys is not up and around yet...

How about using the Flamewars of the Internet for Energy Production - we could connect them with Steam, Gearbox and add an Generator. Energy..

Deathblane · Post by **Deathblane** » 30 Sep 2006, 00:02

PauloMorfeo wrote:"... The first tests ... generated an electrical current of 200 kiloamperes, ..."

Anyway, related to that i see too Thermalnuclear weapons
Ok, i'm just a freak. Where everyone is talking about a breackthough energy source, i'm seeing a breakeverything weapon.

Dude, just..no (sorry I'm a trainee phycist).

The humours thing about ANY small (and by small I mean smaller than a star) scale fusion reactor is that it can never ever explode. Everyone always gets that one wrong.
With current technology you have to put in ultramegagigajoules of energy just to get the fusion reaction working, as in lieu of huge amounts of pressure we heat the reactents to thousands of times the temperature at the centre of the sun.
So sure they might have got a lot of energy out, but on ballance they're probably still in the red.

Post by **jcnossen** » 30 Sep 2006, 01:00

But given the choice, I'd let the chinese nuke themselves accidentally, rather than the French. Not for racial reasons, mind. Simple self interest, I'm far closer to France right now than I am to China.

When China goes you lose all your cheap stuff in the stores... whereas if France was nuked, europe would spend less of its income to all the french farmers that for some reason are entitled to more money.
Not to mention france has 1/10 of china's population...

Ok so I don't like european politics....

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 30 Sep 2006, 01:05

jcnossen wrote:
But given the choice, I'd let the chinese nuke themselves accidentally, rather than the French. Not for racial reasons, mind. Simple self interest, I'm far closer to France right now than I am to China.
When China goes you lose all your cheap stuff in the stores... whereas if France was nuked, europe would spend less of its income to all the french farmers that for some reason are entitled to more money.
Not to mention france has 1/10 of china's population...

Ok so I don't like european politics....

I'll be poor and alive over dead and radioactive any day of the week, thank you kindly!

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 30 Sep 2006, 01:08

And I'd watch gleefully here in america. Not because I have anything against the french, but because I love mushroom clouds.

Post by **jcnossen** » 30 Sep 2006, 01:12

I'll be poor and alive over dead and radioactive any day of the week, thank you kindly!

I would obviously migrate to some warm country just the day before that

mehere101 · Post by **mehere101** » 30 Sep 2006, 01:36

AS Zoombie said, I'll be happy over here in CANADA while the rest of the world realzies that putting in 2000000000000000 J of energy and getting 2000000000000000 J back isn't useful.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 30 Sep 2006, 01:49

Canadians are great, if what I know about Canada is true...

but then again all I know of Canada is the song "Canadian Idiot", so what do I know

note: That was a joke

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