Remove nat traversal

[Orakio]

Please just get rid of it. It doesn't always work and people use it rather than figure out how to forward port and open holes in the firewall. Chances are most people who use it can in fact forward ports they just can't figure out how. some people may be using it with the port forwarded. Also please provide a description of how the traversal methods actually work. Thanks.

also, I notice when even playing in single play mode it uses network. Please get rid of this and have direct for single player. It's rediculous that I get sync errors when playing in single player if I get lag as well as iverflow errors.

Further more, missing texture messages arn't sent to infolog or whatever it is, this is annoying. Please have everything go to info log. Sync errors need to be recoverable.

Is it possible to see unit limit in battle? Need to be able to change it in battle if possible, or have per play so if on does .take and it's set to 500 that person gets 1000 or changable in battle by host.

Also, you can fly of the edge of the map in fps, annoying because aa can't hit you. Also units keep getting stuck in walls and under buildings. And path finding is messed up with buildings. Also, stealth planes keep getting stuck in space really high and can't be killed, units fire stright up in a mad frenzy.

The game also tends to randomly crash with no message at all, please add a closed for x reason feature. These things in particular are driving me nuts.

[Comp1337]

Why the hell shouoold we remove NAT transversal?
Removing features is stupid. And without it i cant host, because my router is borked and its portforwarding wont work.
Whats the problem with it anyway?

[Tobi]

also, I notice when even playing in single play mode it uses network. Please get rid of this and have direct for single player. It's rediculous that I get sync errors when playing in single player if I get lag as well as iverflow errors.

1) You are wrong. The game does not use the network in single play mode.
2) You didn't get sync errors. You got delayed sync messages.

[Orakio]

"my modem is borked yap yap yap" well then take it back under warrenty.

Single player does produce sync delays that is does not recover from even if the lag that caused them was temporary. Then is gets errors about a socket overflow which I'm pretty sure wouldn't happen if it didn't use network.

It says in the changes file that you should use port forwarding. The chanced are your modem isn't broken you just don't know how to do it ir have messed something up yourself. Go buy a new modem. If you get port forward that's a serious deficiency. I could understand a tiny number of people using nat traversal, occasionally you may get a situation that requires it, but judging by the number of people using it it is clear that people are using it because they can't figure out how to port forward. I can't connect to people using NAT traversal. I use NAT myself and have no problems and don't have to use NAT traversal.

[Das Bruce]

Not everyone has the technical know-how to forward ports, no matter how trivial it may seem to you.

[KDR_11k]

Perhaps you're starting Singleplayer incorrectly, you're supposed to use spring.exe or SpringSP, not tasclient.

[colorblind]

Sigh, why won't people listen to Tobi?

In singleplayer Spring does not send any data to the outside world. It does use its internal network protocol to send orders from the client to the internal server.

You are probably using an AI that is sending massive amounts of commands, causing Spring's internal server to overflow.

So don't blaim NAT traversal or your modem or whatever, just get an updated AI :).

[unpossible]

also, I notice when even playing in single play mode it uses network. Please get rid of this and have direct for single player. It's rediculous that I get sync errors when playing in single player if I get lag as well as iverflow errors.

1) You are wrong. The game does not use the network in single play mode.
2) You didn't get sync errors. You got delayed sync messages.

how come xp sp2 security centre/nazi detects it trying to access network (even if it doesn't actually use it)?

[Tobi]

It always binds a socket (and it has to, otherwise you couldn't play multiplayer using spring only, ie. no lobby). It doesn't use it for the local connections - it relays data internally by directly memcpy'ing senddata to the receiver's receive buffer.

[Orakio]

Well it clearly uses some network when it shouln't need too. If the ai is sending loads of data it should just slow the game down not produce a load of errors. And I am using springSP.

Also I don't really understand, there's always someone somewhere willing to help people port map. I usually help people if they ask and trust me.

[Tobi]

It does not.

Clearly you include local buffers in your definition of networking, but I don't.

It is a known bug that spring can overflow some local buffers.
It is NOT true spring uses the network (as defined by the functionality the OS provides to pass around data between local/remote sockets).

[Orakio]

c:\>netstat -anb | find "spring"
[spring.exe]
c:\>

That's convincing enough for me.

[Tobi]

It always binds a socket

EDIT:
and here is the proof it does not send over the network:

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$ netstat -s -u
Udp:
    1897 packets received
    4 packets to unknown port received.
    0 packet receive errors
    1904 packets sent
$ game/spring
using read-write data directory: /home/tobi/wd/taspring/trunk/game/
using read-only  data directory: /home/tobi/wd/taspring/trunk/taspring-linux-data-0.72b1/
WARNING: can not access data directory: /usr/local/games/taspring/
WARNING: trying to create directory: /usr/local/games/taspring ... Permission denied
rts/System/Platform/Linux/SoLib.cpp:39: SoLib::FindAddress: /home/tobi/wd/taspring/trunk/game/AI/Helper-libs/build.so: undefined symbol: GetGroupAiVersion
$ netstat -s -u
Udp:
    1897 packets received
    4 packets to unknown port received.
    0 packet receive errors
    1904 packets sent
$

[Erom]

owned

Also, the crash with no reason is almost always an AI problem. If you are using the default AI (the old NTAI) I'd definetely recomend the newer versions, they are much more stable, and basically redesigned from the ground up to be more competitive.

[mehere101]

NAT transversal works for me without fail. Removing it doesn't change anything. Don't like it? TOO BAD. Suck it up. Some of us have to use it.

[esteroth12]

NAT transversal works for me without fail. Removing it doesn't change anything. Don't like it? TOO BAD. Suck it up. Some of us have to use it.

QFT, my dad won't allow me to oopen any ports... he says that we will get a virus...

[Peet]

Please just get rid of it. It doesn't always work and people use it rather than figure out how to forward port and open holes in the firewall.

Lets get rid of groupAI's too, nobody uses them!

[Orakio]

1: I know it doesn't go over the network in single player, but it still uses network resources.

2: It crashes for no reason with no ai.

3: If you're dad is being paranoid blackmail him. Tell him you'll tell the police that he's smoking pot, or that he touches you if he doesn't forward the port.

On a more serious note, as I use NAT, I don't see why it can't just be set to reverse direction for those with a port forwarded. It might also be easier to debug/fix if there was a description of each method somewhere.

Since I have udp 4672 forwarded I don't see why for those with no port forwarded it can't just send this to them to have the server connect to the client.

[LOrDo]

This topic sucks. Somebody pay attention to Tobi! HES A DEV, HE KNOWS STUFF.

[Sheekel]

Exactly.