In the back of my mind I have an idea for a mod. This isn't a thred on that mod specificly. More... just wanna ask a few questions. Maybe I should just give a very short run down of what the mods based on...
Quick run down:
Set in a univers of my own divising (hell I had to do somthing while I was at school, what better than creat my own fictional univers). Basicly its some way into the future were humans have lernt how to travel in space without taking ages to get places. They set up an empire. Run into aliens (hay this is teh short run down you know) have wars, make friends ect...
Fast forward to the part of the history I like best.
Basicly the galaxy is in a semi stable state consisting of a Human Empire (though it inclued other alien races thay concored) a nameless race of Robots who hate everything and havn't been betten by the humans yet, and another alien race that also is namless, that are basicly lower tech than humans but make up for it by being vast and tenatios. (Sorry for lack of names, I draw without naming things, and also I was mainly draw after this period in time, this game is like based on the back story for a webcomic Idea im working on, hence its fuzzy on teh details). However there all in a state of not waring.
Untill a race of aliens from another galaxy show up with mind boggelingly cool stuff and start trashing everyone (though it turns out that actully they came in peace, just got pissed off when everyone tryed to kill them and each other, so they decide to concore the galaxy and force everyone to live together nicely... later in the web comics everyone but the robots are all on the same side but hat dont matter for this unless I can do a campaign...)
So taht was a realy brief run down of my univers with no details, but its just to put yhe next question in context.
I plan on doing the humans and the Robots as the playable races to start with (leaving the high tech and low tech aliens for later). I had an idea of how I would like the robots to work... basicly there is not such thing as telelporting in my univers (not even teh super aliens can do it). However the robots basicly have somthing pretty close, in that tehy can temporaly displace an object to another place using vast amounts of energy.
I was trying to think how i could put this in teh game without breaking it. And I was wondering what people think of this as an idea.
Insted of standared defensive structures theyed have spawn points (ok, they wont be called that obviosly). And these spawn points would build a subset of infantry (the idea being it takes way to much energy to phaze in a whole tank) which are built INSTANTLY and for NO COST. However just existing they would soke up 100's of energy, moving would cost double the energy again, and fireing would also take energy. So if you just clicked it and did loop youd quickly find that tehy could not move, fire and all your normal production would stall.
However I dont know if that would work, because in spring even if you have no energy things stil seem to work... so I was wonderig if anyone thinks the idea is feasable at teh moment to put into a mod.
If its not feasable then maybe I'll think out the other races better.
PS, dont start saying "you havnt thought this through, weres you design brief" because this is like Pre Pre Pre toe in water planning.
Ill prob have lots of other questions and ideas later, but for now...
aGorm
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clericvash
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Ummm, well i havnt actully read the sup com story, however I doubt supcom has Angles and deamons in, so hopefully that would make a point of difference.
Also, When I started imagin teh univers in genral was pre year 2000 in boring german classes at school, so I rekon if anything they found my disused books and stole from me.
And to be incredably fair, my brief run down could be almost every sifi I can think of.
Besides... that wasn't the question. Question was could I make units like that? (out of context such a unit would make no sense at all...)
::EDIT:: Infact your coment was compleatly pointless, I opened saying this thred is not to try and describe teh mod, just to ask a question about implamentation.
I havn't even described what anything looks like, or shown any pics and you rekon its a rip of a game I have seen what, 7 or 8 screen shots of? And I said that I started this univers at school, implying I was no longer at school, so surly this might pre date?? Dear lord.
aGorm
Also, When I started imagin teh univers in genral was pre year 2000 in boring german classes at school, so I rekon if anything they found my disused books and stole from me.
And to be incredably fair, my brief run down could be almost every sifi I can think of.
Besides... that wasn't the question. Question was could I make units like that? (out of context such a unit would make no sense at all...)
::EDIT:: Infact your coment was compleatly pointless, I opened saying this thred is not to try and describe teh mod, just to ask a question about implamentation.
I havn't even described what anything looks like, or shown any pics and you rekon its a rip of a game I have seen what, 7 or 8 screen shots of? And I said that I started this univers at school, implying I was no longer at school, so surly this might pre date?? Dear lord.aGorm
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Guessmyname
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Sweet, thanks your coments are way more helpfull. Also, from a game play perspective do you think It would work?
The idea behind it is they can re-enforce an area realy quickly at the cost of a lot of production lost, and obviolsy each unit is weeker than a defensive building so theyd be useless for attacking.
Also as they units theyed build would be slow and mediom range, so people can take out teh spawn point with long range stuff to stop the robots respawing like mad (which would happen but tahts teh idea, you kill one and another just spanws in as the power is freed up, though people will have to manage that themselves)
aGorm
The idea behind it is they can re-enforce an area realy quickly at the cost of a lot of production lost, and obviolsy each unit is weeker than a defensive building so theyd be useless for attacking.
Also as they units theyed build would be slow and mediom range, so people can take out teh spawn point with long range stuff to stop the robots respawing like mad (which would happen but tahts teh idea, you kill one and another just spanws in as the power is freed up, though people will have to manage that themselves)
aGorm
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Shadowsage
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if you wanted to look at it that way, then it would be an extreme rip off of halo 2 with humans and aliens fighting, some aliens ally the humans, etc.clericvash wrote:Sounds like the biggest rip of SupCom ever, some parts are exactly the same as parts of SupCom's story....
anyway it sounds interesting.
SupCom, it ripped Chrispin and I's mod idea off, and now aGorm is doing it too 
[quote="Snipawolf"]Story Line:
Humans were perfecting an AI that Collectively thinks (Collectively means together, in a group, like ants) and while doing this Aliens decided they wanted to also...
The Humans allowed their recent allies to use it, and try it, however.... Things got competitive... Humans wanted to make the AI's fight against each other to see whose was best....
Humans drove it over the line, they said Aliens were cheating, and Aliens said Humans were cheating, slanderous terms were used, and things got hostile....
Humans started cheating, seriously, they started pitting actual humans in the arenas instead of robots, then Aliens caught on....
This all happened while robots were collecting information.....
The robots studied the fighting styles of Aliens and Humans against each other.....
The robots had the knowledge of all the technology ever made, as they were the ones it was used on, during the fighting....
The Aliens and Humans tension broke into fights on the outskirts of each races borders.....
Aliens and Humans leaders got irritated, Humans decided to cool down, Aliens decided to take a vote.....
Eventually commanders and armys of aliens were dispatched and making a bloody cut into Human territory....
War in the name of defence was voted upon, and the war started sparking to life, like a fire that grows larger....
Everyone forgot about the AI, noone noticed it was gone....
A little way into the war, a certain meeting happened on a dune planet, the group was thought to be another squad of humans, because the tanks were refined and well-made....
The squad mysteriously was destroyed, while the others remained uninjured, messages were sent to the other squad but, no messages came back....
They finally realized, the AI had escaped and using the technology it had found, it had created higher technolgical advances....
The full spectrum of the war was finally seen, the AI was an enemy, too....
This is where we are now, you decide the fate of your race, Commander....
End Message[/quote]
Have fun with your mod though...
[quote="Snipawolf"]Story Line:
Humans were perfecting an AI that Collectively thinks (Collectively means together, in a group, like ants) and while doing this Aliens decided they wanted to also...
The Humans allowed their recent allies to use it, and try it, however.... Things got competitive... Humans wanted to make the AI's fight against each other to see whose was best....
Humans drove it over the line, they said Aliens were cheating, and Aliens said Humans were cheating, slanderous terms were used, and things got hostile....
Humans started cheating, seriously, they started pitting actual humans in the arenas instead of robots, then Aliens caught on....
This all happened while robots were collecting information.....
The robots studied the fighting styles of Aliens and Humans against each other.....
The robots had the knowledge of all the technology ever made, as they were the ones it was used on, during the fighting....
The Aliens and Humans tension broke into fights on the outskirts of each races borders.....
Aliens and Humans leaders got irritated, Humans decided to cool down, Aliens decided to take a vote.....
Eventually commanders and armys of aliens were dispatched and making a bloody cut into Human territory....
War in the name of defence was voted upon, and the war started sparking to life, like a fire that grows larger....
Everyone forgot about the AI, noone noticed it was gone....
A little way into the war, a certain meeting happened on a dune planet, the group was thought to be another squad of humans, because the tanks were refined and well-made....
The squad mysteriously was destroyed, while the others remained uninjured, messages were sent to the other squad but, no messages came back....
They finally realized, the AI had escaped and using the technology it had found, it had created higher technolgical advances....
The full spectrum of the war was finally seen, the AI was an enemy, too....
This is where we are now, you decide the fate of your race, Commander....
End Message[/quote]
Have fun with your mod though...
Am I goona have to post the whole proper back story to clear up why mine is not a direct rip of anything?
(obviosly some parts will seem a rip of some things because almost all Sifi's share some similaritys, IE starwars has robots, I have robots)
If anything my univers is more like the Warhammer 40k universe than anything else...
Ill explane what each people actully are so you get what actuly its all about.
Humans: Just like we are now we like to run around getting into wars, only now there are aliens theres less in fighting between ourselves (though it does happen). Hence we set out to take over the galaxy, however we dont tend to wipe people out, just take overt here gonvenments. Our aim is to concour the galaxie (as of this time the idea of traveling bejoud the galaxy into the vast empty relms of space to another galaxy is the sort of thing only mad men dream off.)
Man also has taped into "higher powers". IE certain individals have a touch of ethralness about them and can infact perform (for want of a better word) miricals. However they missunderstand there powers, assuming its just extra dimentional energy.
In reality its energy from the other relms, two mirror universes, a sort of heven and hell.
Then theres the Robots.
They were created by an anichant race (long gone) as gardians, however another race saburtaged the gardians and they in turn became aware that they would be better off ruleing themselves and hence set out to destroy everything they find. However they dont realy have an empire as such, just a colection of planets that they are currently leaching of all its resorces. The exception is there "homeworld" however its therisoed its not a world atall, just a realy large spaceship they see no sense in moving.
Naturaly when teh humans come charging across teh galaxy the robots are pissed off, as the humansassume the robots are evil. Admitadly the humans in this case are right...
The robots however have no abiliy to tape into extra dimentional activity like the humans can, however they know of its existance and infact know more about itt han the humans (who only think they know about it)
The outsiders (which I've been calling teh overlords, but I dont know if that will stay as thats realy once they have taken the galaxy in a later time period).
They basicly fled there galaxy. I cant say why. It would ruin the story, especialy if I actully do ever make a web comic from it. There high tech, fast, and basicly want to make our galaxie there own, and make it a nice place for everyone to live. This requires that teh humans (who they have no intention of killing) to surrender (which unfortantly dont happen). They also quite quickly find out that "simple robots" can be a pain in the back side when galactic domination is ones quest. However there basicly only trying to do it so as to give the galaxy a chnace to survive, as its all likely to go to pot if everyone keeps up there endless wars ectt...
They can't tape into teh higher powers, infact they are imune to them... compleatly cut off. This isn't somthing that natraly occours, so they must have found a way to cut themsleves from it, implying they know alot about it and dont like it...
Finaly the other race.
If you have played warhammer 40k, think orc's. There not orcs in looks and they dont have there weird religion nor the lack of self presurvation, however they are equaly as numorse, disorganised, and thrown together. Space ships are created not built. Get the picture? As the second largest empire in teritory and largest in man power there basicly always looking to take on the humans. They also can tap into the "higher powers".
So basicy, the univers has been in a stale mate for the last 100 or so years and tehn some new boys roll in and shake things up... reigniting the wars from the occasionl skirmish to a full blown battel for supremacy.
Anyway, tech footing both the robots and the outsiders are about equal, only they have different technological branches. Then its humans then its the others. Obviolsy teh others have a numbers advantage, the humans and teh outsiders are equal and the robots are very minamlistic (but then 1 robot is worth atlest 2 of anone else, even teh outsiders), and can bring in those instant reenforcements I was talking about.
Robots are slow short ranged (sweeping genralisation though), humans and others are all round, outsiders are fast.
Maybe I'll knock out a few pics to show what hings look like...
sleep time...
aGorm
(obviosly some parts will seem a rip of some things because almost all Sifi's share some similaritys, IE starwars has robots, I have robots)
If anything my univers is more like the Warhammer 40k universe than anything else...
Ill explane what each people actully are so you get what actuly its all about.
Humans: Just like we are now we like to run around getting into wars, only now there are aliens theres less in fighting between ourselves (though it does happen). Hence we set out to take over the galaxy, however we dont tend to wipe people out, just take overt here gonvenments. Our aim is to concour the galaxie (as of this time the idea of traveling bejoud the galaxy into the vast empty relms of space to another galaxy is the sort of thing only mad men dream off.)
Man also has taped into "higher powers". IE certain individals have a touch of ethralness about them and can infact perform (for want of a better word) miricals. However they missunderstand there powers, assuming its just extra dimentional energy.
In reality its energy from the other relms, two mirror universes, a sort of heven and hell.
Then theres the Robots.
They were created by an anichant race (long gone) as gardians, however another race saburtaged the gardians and they in turn became aware that they would be better off ruleing themselves and hence set out to destroy everything they find. However they dont realy have an empire as such, just a colection of planets that they are currently leaching of all its resorces. The exception is there "homeworld" however its therisoed its not a world atall, just a realy large spaceship they see no sense in moving.
Naturaly when teh humans come charging across teh galaxy the robots are pissed off, as the humansassume the robots are evil. Admitadly the humans in this case are right...
The robots however have no abiliy to tape into extra dimentional activity like the humans can, however they know of its existance and infact know more about itt han the humans (who only think they know about it)
The outsiders (which I've been calling teh overlords, but I dont know if that will stay as thats realy once they have taken the galaxy in a later time period).
They basicly fled there galaxy. I cant say why. It would ruin the story, especialy if I actully do ever make a web comic from it. There high tech, fast, and basicly want to make our galaxie there own, and make it a nice place for everyone to live. This requires that teh humans (who they have no intention of killing) to surrender (which unfortantly dont happen). They also quite quickly find out that "simple robots" can be a pain in the back side when galactic domination is ones quest. However there basicly only trying to do it so as to give the galaxy a chnace to survive, as its all likely to go to pot if everyone keeps up there endless wars ectt...
They can't tape into teh higher powers, infact they are imune to them... compleatly cut off. This isn't somthing that natraly occours, so they must have found a way to cut themsleves from it, implying they know alot about it and dont like it...
Finaly the other race.
If you have played warhammer 40k, think orc's. There not orcs in looks and they dont have there weird religion nor the lack of self presurvation, however they are equaly as numorse, disorganised, and thrown together. Space ships are created not built. Get the picture? As the second largest empire in teritory and largest in man power there basicly always looking to take on the humans. They also can tap into the "higher powers".
So basicy, the univers has been in a stale mate for the last 100 or so years and tehn some new boys roll in and shake things up... reigniting the wars from the occasionl skirmish to a full blown battel for supremacy.
Anyway, tech footing both the robots and the outsiders are about equal, only they have different technological branches. Then its humans then its the others. Obviolsy teh others have a numbers advantage, the humans and teh outsiders are equal and the robots are very minamlistic (but then 1 robot is worth atlest 2 of anone else, even teh outsiders), and can bring in those instant reenforcements I was talking about.
Robots are slow short ranged (sweeping genralisation though), humans and others are all round, outsiders are fast.
Maybe I'll knock out a few pics to show what hings look like...
sleep time...
aGorm
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SwiftSpear
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Story is all but irrelevantly. Good games are made based on good game play ideas and the story should be crafted to suit. Game writers are like tv series writers, they are given the characters and the universe in which they are working and they create the story from there. TA was clearly done this way, supcom was as well, although they did a better job of it. While it's entirely possible to reverse engineer a story to derive the quality play experience out of it, it is MUCH MUCH more difficult and rarely is successful. Think of all the horrible failed games based off of movies.
I think for MP games... the design's the thing. aGorm, if you wanna build a mod... start making things, and get straight to it... that's the best way to actually get somewhere. You can always invent a storyline around your resulting gameplay later. While for Project Two, I really spent a long time thinking up my game's world... that was mainly about getting the artistic ideas flowing, so the resulting work would come together into something coherent. If I were you... I'd concentrate on getting the game design working, using stock TA stuff for awhile, then come back to the artsy stuff.