Forum Organisation.
This may sound silliy, but I am of the belife that the forums need a shake up. The SY's have already said they can't look after it as it stands, so I would like to suggest the following.
1) Re section it out into the following:
----Art: keep as is, but let people add new topics
----Gameplay: Forum for discussing game play issues and features, like AI and wether effects, ect...
----General:Anything that dose't fit in the above, and doesn't belong in the....
----Lounge: For all the nonsence, because for a comuity to work people have to be able to talk about random stuff. This would be purged for dead stuff regully but one of the Moderators (which im just coming to...)
2) The SY's can look after it all buy themsleves and can't read everything in amonst all the junk. So We need several people to be promoted to Moderators. They need to be the more active members, and you can't descriminate against Alantai here guys. I would suggest if possible make them moderators of different sections, so 1 for art, one for general, etc.. and maybe 1 or to all round ones to help out everywhere.
(PS, Im not tyring to get to be a modderator here honest) (no realy honsetly im not, I would not mind, just as long as it is moderated!)
Thats all, please vote accordingly....
aGorm
Forum Organisation.
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Reorganizing the Forum:
Reorganizing the forum should be able to help quite a bit. A lot of topics are discussed on the general forum, and being able to post into a specialized forum helps to avoid posts from becoming buried by other unrelated topics.
Creating Moderators:
The task of moderating the Spring forums will be very difficult based on the way things are now. Some of the problems facing the process of implementing moderation are:
Reorganizing the forum should be able to help quite a bit. A lot of topics are discussed on the general forum, and being able to post into a specialized forum helps to avoid posts from becoming buried by other unrelated topics.
Creating Moderators:
The task of moderating the Spring forums will be very difficult based on the way things are now. Some of the problems facing the process of implementing moderation are:
- Finding reliable moderators that are in sync with the beliefs and the personalities of the SY team, and can handle situations in the most non-partisan way possible. Basing this on how active a person is may not be the best method. I think many of us agree that a lot of the need for moderation stems from how active some members have become.
- Finding the time to review the increasing number of posts. This is especially difficult with some individuals who are posting at a high rate with little or no useful information in each post. See a post by jouninkomiko for a great (and funny) example.
- Coming up with a simple policy for moderation. Start by asking questions to yourself things like: "Should a person be suspended if they cannot stop cursing? How many warnings would you give this person?". Having answers to these questions saves a lot of time when the situation actually comes up and you have two or three project deadlines to meet (or at least members of the SY team breathing down your neck).
aGorm I see you are hinting heavily and though I would support you if you wished to become a moderator I feel that at this rate the forum will force you to become one wether you like it or not.
Amekawi nice to see you're using your grammar and spelling well, I swear your posts are almost like articles, makes for easy reading. Which brigns me to my next point.
The SY's are obviously doing there thing with these forums, a brand new forum, flame posts deleted, numerous threads locked or cease to exist. Keep up the good work.
As for an effective moderation strategy. I think that simply having someone who wears their concience on their sleeve would be effective. There have been numerous posts where people have sniped at eachover when not being obvious unelss you read between the lines and then later on they've gone into a flame and made posts and threads that shouldnt be here. Things such as my spelling, zooombies long posts, new ideas such as aGorms trees and my multiple heightmaps, Neuralizes logos, the polls on my existence among other things. They've all been precursed by other events or have led to more and could be foretold and prevented.
And aGorm, however much has been said in the past by you or others possibly. I doubt very much I will become a moderator. Although I am now as well behaved as ever the past cant be changed and there are people who would actively try to discount me as an option in favor of themselves. Wether I have the qualities of a moderator or not I doubt I would even be considered by the SY's to be the new modly modness.
Amekawi nice to see you're using your grammar and spelling well, I swear your posts are almost like articles, makes for easy reading. Which brigns me to my next point.
The SY's are obviously doing there thing with these forums, a brand new forum, flame posts deleted, numerous threads locked or cease to exist. Keep up the good work.
As for an effective moderation strategy. I think that simply having someone who wears their concience on their sleeve would be effective. There have been numerous posts where people have sniped at eachover when not being obvious unelss you read between the lines and then later on they've gone into a flame and made posts and threads that shouldnt be here. Things such as my spelling, zooombies long posts, new ideas such as aGorms trees and my multiple heightmaps, Neuralizes logos, the polls on my existence among other things. They've all been precursed by other events or have led to more and could be foretold and prevented.
And aGorm, however much has been said in the past by you or others possibly. I doubt very much I will become a moderator. Although I am now as well behaved as ever the past cant be changed and there are people who would actively try to discount me as an option in favor of themselves. Wether I have the qualities of a moderator or not I doubt I would even be considered by the SY's to be the new modly modness.
c how a moderator can help?!-
Warlord Zsinj
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I voted no.
I think that shakeup is totally unnecessary. It's almost exactly the same, except it adds another forum that I have to check, for no particular reason. Its not like the Spring forum gets 100 new threads a day, in which case I could understand why you would want to split the forums. There is no logical reason to split them.
As for needing moderators, I think wait a while and see if things improve, now that we have this "junk" forum, and that Alantai has calmed down a bit.
If they dont, I think more regular moderating is needed. No offense intended aGorm, but I don't think you would be the right person for the job. I think someone who knows about TA AND Spring, and is considerate and logical. I don't think any of the more regular posters come close to that. Including myself. I know very little about Spring, and I would probably be a bit ruthless when it came to moderating... (:twisted:)
The best sort of mods would be people along the line of Sean Mirrsen, Amekkawi or zwzsg.
... But as I said, all irrelevant if the Forum sorts itself out.
I think that shakeup is totally unnecessary. It's almost exactly the same, except it adds another forum that I have to check, for no particular reason. Its not like the Spring forum gets 100 new threads a day, in which case I could understand why you would want to split the forums. There is no logical reason to split them.
As for needing moderators, I think wait a while and see if things improve, now that we have this "junk" forum, and that Alantai has calmed down a bit.
If they dont, I think more regular moderating is needed. No offense intended aGorm, but I don't think you would be the right person for the job. I think someone who knows about TA AND Spring, and is considerate and logical. I don't think any of the more regular posters come close to that. Including myself. I know very little about Spring, and I would probably be a bit ruthless when it came to moderating... (:twisted:)
The best sort of mods would be people along the line of Sean Mirrsen, Amekkawi or zwzsg.
... But as I said, all irrelevant if the Forum sorts itself out.
Sorry? Did I ever say "MAKE ME A MODERATOR!" No. I didn't. Several people suggested it and I said I dont mind wither way, aslong as its moderated. However... How said you need to even know anything about TA or Spring to moderate a forum??
All we want one for is so as rude posts and stupid ones can be removed, random threds to be moved here, Threds to do with art to be moved to art, ect... we dont want a moderator for the purpose of answering questions. Thats waht the admins are for. Moderators keep the place tidy (while the admins are busy ansering questions and in this case making the game). Thats all.
aGorm
All we want one for is so as rude posts and stupid ones can be removed, random threds to be moved here, Threds to do with art to be moved to art, ect... we dont want a moderator for the purpose of answering questions. Thats waht the admins are for. Moderators keep the place tidy (while the admins are busy ansering questions and in this case making the game). Thats all.
aGorm
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Warlord Zsinj
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Granted, but that was a week ago and a week is a long time in this forum.
Honourable warlord you are in no position to say who should and shouldnt be a moderator and it is not your place to tell people they can and cant. I suggest you stop going on at aGorm for saying thigns about him and moderation and I beg of you to take up one lesson I keep tryignt ot each you. UNDERSTAND. You do not understand warlord therefore you cannot make the most of the situation.
aGorm I think it is in your best interests if you do nto mention the M word. Riker I think you should stop calling me Altai and call me by my name and Warlord you should stop behaving condescendingly and above all you should forgive and forget and not bear a grudge as you so obiously are. Wether you have said it or not aGorm and warlord I see it inbetween the lines and it is not good.
As for em being a moderator. If given the offer of moderation I would take it but I am in no position to be a single fulltime moderator and could loose net access in school at any moment. Whatsmore I think that wether I should be a moderator shouldnt be discussed and if it is then start a poll on it. I wont have one person speak for everyone when they can speak for themselves, and if you really are that passionate about it then a poll you will create. But hopefully you wont be as obsessed about preventing me or aGorm or anyone else from moderation as you would be if you did start a poll for that would proove that you yourselves need moderation.
And warlord, reading your posts gives me the impression it isnt just aGorm inting at becoming a moderator if you catch my drift. Understand the situation, why si riker sayign I should eb a moderator? Why did napalm cobra say he'd support aGorm if he became one? Why did you suggest zwzsg or amekawi? And what will people think of you for your posts. They sound condescending and biased.
I wont say who I think should be a moderator but I do suggest that it isnt you.
Honourable warlord you are in no position to say who should and shouldnt be a moderator and it is not your place to tell people they can and cant. I suggest you stop going on at aGorm for saying thigns about him and moderation and I beg of you to take up one lesson I keep tryignt ot each you. UNDERSTAND. You do not understand warlord therefore you cannot make the most of the situation.
aGorm I think it is in your best interests if you do nto mention the M word. Riker I think you should stop calling me Altai and call me by my name and Warlord you should stop behaving condescendingly and above all you should forgive and forget and not bear a grudge as you so obiously are. Wether you have said it or not aGorm and warlord I see it inbetween the lines and it is not good.
As for em being a moderator. If given the offer of moderation I would take it but I am in no position to be a single fulltime moderator and could loose net access in school at any moment. Whatsmore I think that wether I should be a moderator shouldnt be discussed and if it is then start a poll on it. I wont have one person speak for everyone when they can speak for themselves, and if you really are that passionate about it then a poll you will create. But hopefully you wont be as obsessed about preventing me or aGorm or anyone else from moderation as you would be if you did start a poll for that would proove that you yourselves need moderation.
And warlord, reading your posts gives me the impression it isnt just aGorm inting at becoming a moderator if you catch my drift. Understand the situation, why si riker sayign I should eb a moderator? Why did napalm cobra say he'd support aGorm if he became one? Why did you suggest zwzsg or amekawi? And what will people think of you for your posts. They sound condescending and biased.
I wont say who I think should be a moderator but I do suggest that it isnt you.
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Warlord Zsinj
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Anyone reading this conversation would probably be laughing at all of us.
I'm sorry, this has gotten beyond silly.
No, I don't want to be a moderator. No I don't deserve it. No, I wasn't trying to offend aGorm, I have nothing against him.
Yes, I do have something against you. A week is not long enough. I don't think you've justified a return to my good graces (yes, I think I will be condescending), let alone throwing around a long post like that, as if you're already in charge.
I don't plan to return to this particular forum, it serves no purpose.
Sorry if I've offended anyone, I don't particularly like getting people offside, unless they have done so to me first.
I'm sorry, this has gotten beyond silly.
No, I don't want to be a moderator. No I don't deserve it. No, I wasn't trying to offend aGorm, I have nothing against him.
Yes, I do have something against you. A week is not long enough. I don't think you've justified a return to my good graces (yes, I think I will be condescending), let alone throwing around a long post like that, as if you're already in charge.
I don't plan to return to this particular forum, it serves no purpose.
Sorry if I've offended anyone, I don't particularly like getting people offside, unless they have done so to me first.
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BlackLiger
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Is it me 
lol kidding man...
But still:
Just to list the qualities that you all seem to think should be moderators (with my own comments on them):
Knowlege of Spring <--- isn't this really a moot point if you read every post?
Time <------ so far, id say only the ppl who log in 1ce a day minimum should even be considered, if only because that way its gonna be certain that they will see the offending posts.
Maturity <------ all things considered, none of us have displayed that. Zjinski seems stuck up, alantai wont be considered because of the week ago events, agorm and I did the Tree Warz. The majority of others either joined in the Tree warz or don't log in 1ce a day or more....
Willingness <---- who doesn't want to be an all powerful god kidding again.
Hmm. According to this list, in terms of each item, i will list people who apply
1) The SY staff, Myself (I keep track even if I don't understand the code), aGorm, Alantai, These days WillRiker.
2) Myself (once a day minimum) Alantai, aGorm, WillRiker (we all know the SYs are busy actually working on spring, so they r let off on this one
lol) are the ones i know of. Note I don't go through the profiles to check up on this detail, so if you log in 1ce or more a day, plz feel free to say so......
3) The SYs
4) All of us
lol kidding man...But still:
Just to list the qualities that you all seem to think should be moderators (with my own comments on them):
Knowlege of Spring <--- isn't this really a moot point if you read every post?
Time <------ so far, id say only the ppl who log in 1ce a day minimum should even be considered, if only because that way its gonna be certain that they will see the offending posts.
Maturity <------ all things considered, none of us have displayed that. Zjinski seems stuck up, alantai wont be considered because of the week ago events, agorm and I did the Tree Warz. The majority of others either joined in the Tree warz or don't log in 1ce a day or more....
Willingness <---- who doesn't want to be an all powerful god
kidding again.Hmm. According to this list, in terms of each item, i will list people who apply
1) The SY staff, Myself (I keep track even if I don't understand the code), aGorm, Alantai, These days WillRiker.
2) Myself (once a day minimum) Alantai, aGorm, WillRiker (we all know the SYs are busy actually working on spring, so they r let off on this one
lol) are the ones i know of. Note I don't go through the profiles to check up on this detail, so if you log in 1ce or more a day, plz feel free to say so......3) The SYs
4) All of us
Ah I should know who logs in enough to do this. You forgot the warlord and zoombie and napalm cobra.
But from what you've said those that fit the bill best are those that would cause the most controversy. Lets say someone obscure was given mdoerator powers, there'd be a bit of unquiet about someone foreign to the forum becoming involved. But if someone like aGorm or me where turned into moderators the anti-Alantai camp would take moves ot block the action and I would forever be labelled as an unfair mod. Well I'm nto sure how true that would eb but those who post here the most and login the msot are those who really udnerstand whats right and wrong wether thye themselves are the ones who do them.
So the best way si to get soemone to join the forum and moderate, soemone impartial. But do that and they wont understand as they wont have read the forum as it stood when the tree warz began before the phpBB.
As for my moment of madness a few weeks ago, I'm glad to see that it had A effect wether that was bad or not you all seem to be talking about good things like clamouring for moderators and avatars.
Warlord: Am I back in your good graces or do you have intentions to bear a grudge?
But from what you've said those that fit the bill best are those that would cause the most controversy. Lets say someone obscure was given mdoerator powers, there'd be a bit of unquiet about someone foreign to the forum becoming involved. But if someone like aGorm or me where turned into moderators the anti-Alantai camp would take moves ot block the action and I would forever be labelled as an unfair mod. Well I'm nto sure how true that would eb but those who post here the most and login the msot are those who really udnerstand whats right and wrong wether thye themselves are the ones who do them.
So the best way si to get soemone to join the forum and moderate, soemone impartial. But do that and they wont understand as they wont have read the forum as it stood when the tree warz began before the phpBB.
As for my moment of madness a few weeks ago, I'm glad to see that it had A effect wether that was bad or not you all seem to be talking about good things like clamouring for moderators and avatars.
Warlord: Am I back in your good graces or do you have intentions to bear a grudge?
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BlackLiger
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