questions about scale

Dead.Rabit · Post by **Dead.Rabit** » 31 May 2006, 21:00

im just about to scale my map.. just wanted to know. in the map units for mapconvertion.. how tall (roughly) is the commander

and secondly how much range (in pixels) do burthas and the super revolving burthas have? roughly again (1024 pixels = 2 map units) thanks
D.R. =]

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 01 Jun 2006, 01:32

Its maybe about as tall as however you want it to be!

I think its about as tall as a ten story building, about fifty feet or so.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 01 Jun 2006, 01:49

do a search first. There have been many huge heated arguments over this.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 01 Jun 2006, 04:16

The (little)men represent ~6 foot tall men

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 01 Jun 2006, 05:40

Dead.Rabit wrote:and secondly how much range (in pixels) do burthas and the super revolving burthas have? roughly again (1024 pixels = 2 map units) thanks

The AA Unit Guide holds the answers you seek.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 01 Jun 2006, 05:54

Another good scale picture is one from PCGamer's latest issue. Its got a commander stepping on a hydrolisk, while an overenthusiastic editor in chief rides on the Com's shoulders.

Hilarious!

mufdvr222 · Post by **mufdvr222** » 01 Jun 2006, 06:40

I am shure I must be wrong, but the Commander scaling is probably much larger that anyone thinks,, I mean look at the commanders scaling in Supreme commander.

Food for thought?

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 01 Jun 2006, 07:13

Well thats the Suprime Commander. He's bigger.

Much much bigger.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » 01 Jun 2006, 07:42

Dead.Rabit wrote:im just about to scale my map.. just wanted to know. in the map units for mapconvertion.. how tall (roughly) is the commander

and secondly how much range (in pixels) do burthas and the super revolving burthas have? roughly again (1024 pixels = 2 map units) thanks
D.R. =]

The commander is as tall as you want him to be. Smoth has one possible scale in that picture, but it can really be whatever you like.

The range of those units in elmos can be found in the unit guide. I'm not sure how an elmo translates to map units though.

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 01 Jun 2006, 08:45

smoth's scale is completely arbitrary. You can follow it, but it isn't an accepted standard by enemy means.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 01 Jun 2006, 23:02

Warlord Zsinj wrote:smoth's scale is completely arbitrary. You can follow it, but it isn't an accepted standard by enemy means.

The fuck ever. If I had internet... you know what... forget it.

http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewt ... 3&start=40

and here

http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewt ... light=elmo

arbitrary... anyway... the link about size and relation to elmos is there in those threads.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » 02 Jun 2006, 00:30

The leap comes with you say that a car is half a footprint. A footprint is whatever you want it to be..either 10 miles or 10 inches. I understand the relationship between measurement units ingame, but to then take those units and give them real world definition is flawed (Ie, to say that a car is 16x8 elmos).

I did that for AATA, and AATA alone. This works because the scale is completely internal, and so does not have to try to apply to anything else. For example, in AATA scale, SWTA stormtroopers are about 4.5 meters tall. which, quite obviously, is too large. However, if you take stormtroopers to be 2m tall, then AATA infantry are less than a meter tall, which is also flawed.

Scale is mod dependant. If you want to make features for maps, the only guideline is consistancy betwee those features - you can make the commander as tall as a five story building, or only as tall as the doorway (engine collision detection issues aside)

Candleman · Post by **Candleman** » 02 Jun 2006, 01:50

Smoth's scale comes from OTA, the scale names he made up (ie "elmo").
Arbitrary, my ass.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 02 Jun 2006, 04:19

I think you are all stupid and he just wants to know how many texture pixels == a 1x1 footprint.

Candleman · Post by **Candleman** » 02 Jun 2006, 04:23

That might do it.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 02 Jun 2006, 05:27

Smoths scale is arbitrary, but very well though through. It's easily the most sensical estimate for scale I've ever seen for OTA/Spring.

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 02 Jun 2006, 05:29

So, after the many arguments and debates in the OTA world over the actual scale of the units, Smoth, over at the Spring forum, manages to figure it out?

Smoth made a scale for himself to use, which he is welcome too. To somehow think that he can enforce this scale on anyone else is ludicrous. I don't intend to make SWTA follow such a scale, because if I did, there would be serious engine issues.

Again, it is completely arbitrary. There is no mention that the universe we are in is a human one, or that the cars we see are human, etc, etc.

Putting a scale on OTA, or Spring, is grasping at straws. People have to work out a scale for themselves.

And you can kick, and scream, and threaten all you want, Smoth, but that's my opinion, and you aren't going to change it.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 02 Jun 2006, 07:02

Smoth's scale makes sense from what I've seen, but SWTA is a completely different UNIVERSE from TA. So it follows that it would have a differing scale.

And how is SWTA going, by the way?

FLOZi · Post by **FLOZi** » 02 Jun 2006, 13:53

AATA is based around a 1m = 1unit in a modelling program scale. Then doubled to better suit footprint sizes.

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 02 Jun 2006, 15:36

Not too bad, zoombie. We've fixed up all the droid issues, etc, but we'd rather release a big version rather then a small patch, so we're holding back until we get some more units done (And for the next spring update, which'll let as do some cool stuff).

Still a little while off (I'm knee-deep in exams atm), but on the way!

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