Video Game Violence

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 21 Mar 2006, 07:12

I just kinda assume everyone agrees with me... so a vote makes me know for sure...

M ratings would be for sex (as apposed to inuendo), nudity (as apposed to adult themes), dismemberment/gore (as apposed to just plain "killing" things like in mario or TA) or excessive profanity (as opposed to 3 swear words in the whole game, and 2 of them are "darn")...

I feel that R rated content and M rated content should not be sold to minors. If children under this age want mature games then they should have an adult buy them, thus shifting the blame from the companies producing the products on to the shoulders of "responsable adults"...

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 21 Mar 2006, 07:41

Adults never want to take the blame though. Its always someone elses fault. M rated games should NOT be played by anyone under 16. Even with parent supervision. GTA games should not be played by anyone.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 21 Mar 2006, 08:11

M is for mature, and only parents can decide if their kids are mature enough to handle these kinds of games.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 21 Mar 2006, 10:13

Thats one hell of a weighted question....

and as far as I say, when I was like, I dunno 11 or so... I was playing DOOM back in the day, I turned out fine.. and there's LOTS of games nowadays that are rated M...

all in all... I don't see it "stopping" any kids from playing the games.. heck they will just download them over P2P....

The current setup works to "slow" it down... but to limit R games to 16 year olds is retarted... they should be ok for just about everyone, but parents should be the ultimate deciding factor... I.E. child A brings a game home and its "inapproporiate" then the parent should remove the game, and punish the child... not go OMG! we have to sue so and so for selling this... bla bla bla.. then the software companies have to make retarted warnings, user-lisence agreements, etc.. just driving the cost of games even higher...

you CANNOT blame a software compant for how your kid percieves the world.. or what your kid does, nor can you blame a vendor...

your child is raised by YOU as a parent, and if you raise them right, they will be right.. thats the end of that.

Basically what I'm saying is:

people have the right to do what they want and to buy what they want... even kids... obvious things, things that are illegal, (pronographic/crime-doing) games should not be sold to minors, but everything else, is the parents responsibility....

What happens in the long run if they are STRICTLY limited?

A- kids just steal them... (what does THIS teach kids?)
B- kids just pirate them... (what does THIS teach kids?)
C- kids falsify identity to purchase them... (what does THIS teach kids?)
D- kids get pissed off at the world cause they can't have it like friend X.. (what does THIS teach kids?)
E- kids lie to parents to get to friends houses, older friends, etc, to play them... (what does THIS teach kids?)

when it could ALL be solved by parents kicking the kids ass when they come home and the kid is blowing up people in the street playing GTA....

hell.. just allow it, and teach the kids a good moral understanding FIRST...

edit:
I didn't make much sense though all that... its mostly just thought on paper...

but another thought.. is that MOVIES play a bigger role, in my opionion, on adjusting a childs views on what can/can't be done in life... I.E. to commit crime...

most kids understand, no matter HOW real the game looks, that it IS A GAME... but movies.. potray REALITY, in REALISTIC situations, with REALISTIC results... hell movies nowadays, half of them are documentaries and the like, and they are usually war related, or crime related... and the "bad guys" who win in those, are the idols of common juvenile criminials.... the kids that say "the videogame taught me how to do that, bla bla bla" are just bandwagoning the loophole in the law that states all media can teach bad things...

blah... those kids who got away with serious crimes... "cause the videogames taught them"... (in my opinion) are brilliant!!.. its not everyday that the law can be abused, and you know what? they abused it knowledgeably... and got away with it, and STILL are getting away with it... and I can guarantee you they all know that they are breaking the law, and the consequences for their actions beforehand... those FEW kids who didn't know.. or don't know.. hell.. the videogames wouldn't help or hurt them, they are just about as dumb as a board and have that "super" chromosome like in the "reality movie" DOOM.... lol

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GrOuNd_ZeRo · Post by **GrOuNd_ZeRo** » 21 Mar 2006, 12:33

I watched R-Rated movies when I was young, I played games like Doom and Mortal Kombat, I finished GTA:VC and I am not compelled into stealing cars (although I DID notice that when I looked at cars in real life I thought about: "hey let's open the door and drive it away!" but ofcourse that doesn't work and is not legal either

it was more or less a split second in that I thought that.

I don't know how youths handle such things though so I would definitly not recommend it to youths.

Also, why is sex a bigger taboo than killing? I mean, people have been killing people on TV shows for years! and it's all clean fun?

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 21 Mar 2006, 15:16

It's up to the parents. If their kid is smart and mature enough to take the game's, let em.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 21 Mar 2006, 15:54

Meh, regulate if you have to. I see no qwals agsint store owners not selling M games to kids.

Just don't make laws it ilegal to BUY it when your underage...

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 21 Mar 2006, 16:30

Bah, I played doom and mortal kombat when I was under 16, but my parents knew about it and knew I could handle it... heck, I played through Wolfenstein 3D with my dad for that matter.
first of all, GTA3 is worse then doom 3D and Mortal Kombat was... second of all, if I'd been screwed up by video games I would blame my parents for letting me play them (even though I purchased them myself from the store)... I see video games depicting things of similar "Maturity" as just as bad as movies, and kids underage arn't allowed to buy R rated movies...

Another issue I had growing up is that "All the good movies" were R rated... if movie companies and game companies had more insentive to make T rated games that didn't suck we might be better off...

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 21 Mar 2006, 16:41

I've been playing mature and higher rated games since I was about 10... But I never honestly cared about ratings. I watched Terminator at 12....

So it all depends on the person.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 21 Mar 2006, 16:51

no liger, imo it depends on how well and what morals were taught to the kids.

Why the fuck is everyone afraid to take responsibility for their actions nowadays? When I was a kid things were a lot different...

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 21 Mar 2006, 17:52

when I was a kid, my parents didn't have to think twice about whooping my ass in the supermarket, or on the side of the road...

it was just, understood...

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 21 Mar 2006, 18:29

LathanStanley wrote: A- kids just steal them... (what does THIS teach kids?)
B- kids just pirate them... (what does THIS teach kids?)
C- kids falsify identity to purchase them... (what does THIS teach kids?)
D- kids get pissed off at the world cause they can't have it like friend X.. (what does THIS teach kids?)
E- kids lie to parents to get to friends houses, older friends, etc, to play them... (what does THIS teach kids?)

Your missing the point... if parents don't want their kids to play a specific game, and they don't buy it for them... and the kid goes to the store and buys it for himself... he's going behind his parents back anyways... what does THAT teach kids?

Andreask · Post by **Andreask** » 21 Mar 2006, 18:33

LOL, you ARE the kids !

Weaver · Post by **Weaver** » 21 Mar 2006, 19:37

I let my son play TA when he was 4 it has done him no harm, I still wont let him play some other games now he's nearly 12.

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 21 Mar 2006, 20:05

I think someone has failed as a parent if they get upset about the games their children play, and yet cba to be involved enough to learn about what their children are playing. Also, it's not like parents can't stop their children from having these games, not unless they can't discipline their children, in which case they are, again, failed parents.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 21 Mar 2006, 22:55

LathanStanley wrote:when I was a kid, my parents didn't have to think twice about whooping my ass in the supermarket, or on the side of the road...

it was just, understood...

hell ya dude, my dad's belt came outta those loops so fast it sounded like a howitzer went off. He would only smack us with the belt 3 times, but gawdalmighty. He sure as hell leaned into those smacks.

I didn't get spanked a whole lot. That shit hurt lol. I remember having to wait a good 5 minutes once so that I could sit down again.

Razor straps should never have become a thing of the past. Kids need discipline. Your ass is quite resilient, anything (on the level of a belt) that hits you there isn't going to cause permanent damage, except to your ego perhaps :D

I'll never forget the day when I got in trouble for some stuff at school and came home to find my dad making a wooden paddle out of a 1x6. Complete with holes drilled.

Goddamn lol, that shit didn't feel real good lol. I never made the same mistake twice though.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 21 Mar 2006, 23:50

Video games don't make people violent and I'll shoot anyone who disagrees with me.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 22 Mar 2006, 00:08

I don't know... I getting pretty pissy when I spend 3 hours trying to make a map for Spring and it's just NOT WORKING... I've never killed anyone but I've come very close... same can be said for certain stages in Warcraft II that I just kept losing over and over again... and for some reason tetris just pisses me off sometimes... even though most of the time it really calms me down... caffeine on the other hand... that gives me homicidal urges every time...

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 22 Mar 2006, 03:50

Careful, just you watch your tongue. Next there'll be ratings on drinks:

E: cola, hot chocolate
Teen: Coffee, Mocha
Mature: Espresso, caffiene drinks
AO: Double/triple espresso, booze

It'll happen. Hell, we've got "careful, it's HOT!" warnings on coffee nowadays for crap sake... Soon there'll be "careful, it's COLD!" on ice cream. I'm under the impression that the majority of North America's population is alive only because it would be illegal to kill them.

People who spell/pronounce it "Expresso" make me want to kill them too.

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 22 Mar 2006, 04:54

LathanStanley wrote:...
and as far as I say, when I was like, I dunno 11 or so... I was playing DOOM back in the day, I turned out fine.. ...

I'm sorry but, from the avatar you use, you don't seem to have turned out too ok.

Weaver wrote:I let my son play TA when he was 4 it has done him no harm, I still wont let him play some other games now he's nearly 12.

TA is completely robotic with zero violence in it.
It was a strong point of the game and i know people who started playing it only because it didn't had violence which made it's parents allow.

Anyway, contrary to common belief, i think that some games and movies without ├é┬½violence├é┬╗ are the most dangerous ones. For example, games where you shoot ather people and it shows no signs of blood nor pain nor consequences. I think that those are, trully, the most dangerous ones. It will not create, in the kids, the consciense that shooting someone will not just make a clean silencing of that caracter but, instead, a huge bloody mess of pain and blood.

This is very comonly seen in ├é┬½Hollywood├é┬╗, where heroes of the story kill without remorses or consequences and, mostly, without any kind of manifestation of pain from the injured, having, often, the injured present a nice, quick and clean death.

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