C&C Spring

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 29 Jan 2006, 02:33

I'm doing a C&C Mod! DUHHHHHHHHHH couldn't you tell from the fucking name?!?!

I'm not working very hard on it, but I am gonna do it.. eventually. As sort of a hobby. I don't have much time on my hands lately but I thought, with the little time I do, why don't I spend it doing AATA and something like C&C? So here I am.

OK, the basic premise of the mod will encompass Tiberian Dawn and Tiberian Sun (no Red Alert for you, bitches!), with the two "eras" seperated by "Level 1" and "Level 2". For instance, Tiberian Dawn stuff will be Level 1; Tiberian Sun+Firestorm stuff, Level 2. This will be very simple; the Tib Sun MCVs will be built in the Tib Dawn Weapons Factory/NOD Airfield.

I've obviously had to re-hash the C&C buildtree, as prereqs (needing one unit built to "unlock" another unit) are, to my knowledge, impossible with Spring. Rather than explain it, here it is:

GDI

MCV (DONE)
Power Plant (DONE)
Refinery
Harvester
Tiberium Silo
Guard Tower
Communications Center
Barracks (DONE)
Minigun Infantry
Grenadier
Rocket Soldier
Commando
Engineer
Advanced Power Plant
Advanced Guard Tower
Advanced Communications Center
Helipad
Orca VTOL
Chinook Transport Helicopter
Repair Facility
Weapons Factory
Hum-Vee
APC
Medium Tank
MRLS
Mammoth Tank
Harvester
MCV
MCV Mk II
Tiberium Silo
Power Plant
Radar Tower
Component Tower
Vulcan Cannon
RPG Launcher
SAM Upgrade
Tiberium Refinery
Harvester
Tiberium Silo
Barracks
Light Infantry
Disc Thrower
Jumpjet Infantry
Mutant Commando
Engineer
Helipad
Orca Interceptor
Orca Bomber
Orca Carryall
EM Pulse Cannon
Upgrade Center
Hunter-Seeker Drone
War Factory
Wolverine
Titan
Hover MRLS
Amphibious APC
Disruptor
Mammoth Mk II
Mobile Sensor Array
Mobile EMP Cannon
Juggernaut
Mobile War Factory
MCV
MCV Mk II

NOD

MCV
Power Plant
Refinery
Harvester
Tiberium Silo
Turret
Communications Center
Hand of Nod
Minigun Infantry
Rocket Soldier
Flamethrower
Commando
Engineer
Advanced Power Plant
Obelisk of Light
SAM Site
Helipad
Temple of Nod
Airfield
Recon Bike
Buggy
Light Tank
Flame Tank
Mobile Artillery
SSM
Stealth Tank
Harvester
MCV Mk II
Power Plant
Radar Tower
Laser Tower
Tiberium Refinery
Harvester
Tiberium Silo
Hand of Nod
Light Infantry
Rocket Soldier
Cyborg
Cybord Commando
Mutant Hijacker
Reaper
Engineer
Advanced Power Plant
Obelisk of Light
SAM Site
Helipad
Harpy
Banshee
EM Pulse Cannon
Temple of Nod
Hunter-Seeker Drone
Missile Silo
War Factory
Buggy
Recon Bike
Subterrainean APC
Tick Tank
Artillery
Devil's Tongue
Stealth Tank Mk II
Repair Tank Bot
Mobile Sensor Array
Mobile Stealth Generator
Fist Of Nod
MCV
MCV Mk II

I hope it comes out good in this forum... it's supposed to be tiered, or atleast is in my wordpad. Anyway, as you can see, concessions must be made.. I can not tell the game that the Mammoth should only be built if an Adv. Comm Center is built, and so forth. Otherwise I will try to keep it true.

As for porting unit and weapon statistics over, I will do my absolute best to give everything the exact same values they had in C&C. Same energy production and consumption (and units will require a little energy to be built... but only to stop them from being built if there's no energy), same credit costs, same hitpoints, same weapon damages, etc. Although I do know in C&C:TS atleast that there is a little something more going on with weapon damages, which I haven't yet figured out..

As for other features...

- The ion cannon will be tricky. I'm thinking of making it some sort of ultra-fast invisible missile. Don't think I can do the nifty blue energy beam effect, but I do know I can probably make it appear as though some invisible massive energy suddenly pulverizes a large area.
- Tiberium.. there are several ways of doing this, not the least of which is mobile metal extractors.. however, last I heard, these weren't able to figure out if there was metal underneath them if they moved... can someone update me on this? Are mobile metal extractors plausible and realistic? If that is the case, Tiberium Refineries will basically be factories that build a single unit -- a Harvester. And the Harvester will never go back.
- Another option for the Refineries is to just make the refinery itself the metal extractor, and have people build them on Tib deposits. Maybe with some silly animation of a Harvester piece going out and "digging around" for tiberium. Sounds gay.
- Subterrainean units, ie the NOD Subterrainean APC and Devil's Tongue units... impossible? Anyone have any info on underground units in Spring? If not, simply cloaked?
- Drop pods -- should be possible, as a unit you can build, load up with infantry, and then fly somewhere. It'd have an altitude of like 5000 or something so it'd be waaaaaaaaay up there, and then SHOOT down!
- Thankfully, Spring units with weapons that can only shoot in one direction will automatically move themselves to face said direction, meaning the Mammoth Mk II, Devil's Tongue, Stealth Tanks, etc, won't look silly.
- ALL sounds will be original C&C sounds. When you tell a little minigunner to go somewhere, he WILL say "You got it!" and when he dies, he WILL scream "Ahahhghghhghhahghhh!!!" and when you build something, a sexy female voice WILL say "Building."
- Firestorm units will be included. Limpet mines seem meaningless, except maybe to spot stuff from far away. The Fist of Nod and Mobile War Factories are probably the only worthwhile units from there -- and perhaps the mobile EMP Cannons.
- I will not have silly-looking purple tanks running about. I will assume that the units, as they appeared in missions, with their scripted side colours, is how they look. For instance, Tib Dawn NOD units were a sort of greyish-lavender, and they will be the same in my mod. There will be some small side-colour identifier but like I said, I am not going to look and see a god damned purple pink yellow tank running around. Nod units will be grey, black and red, GDI units will be tan. Thankfully Tib Sun was more sane about side-colour management and didn't have entire units decked out in side-colours.

As far as progress... so far I have about 3 units completed; MCV, Power Plant, and Barracks. I would like to do UV mapping for all of these, so I will have to learn it. I believe I will not need any massively complex scripting; C&C units are fairly, relatively, simple.

Anyway, have to go.

FolCan · Post by **FolCan** » 29 Jan 2006, 02:53

Isnt Neruailze also doing a CNC mod

Perhaps you should work together or something

heres the link http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3302

Neuralize · Post by **Neuralize** » 29 Jan 2006, 06:11

Eh, my conversion of a Red Alert mod is pretty shitty at the moment. I'd have to remodel all the buldings for it to look nice :/

mikedep333 · Post by **mikedep333** » 30 Jan 2006, 09:49

As both a C&C and a TA fan I wish you the best of luck. I wish the engine was more flexible to support all the stuff you want though.

DeathHawk · Post by **DeathHawk** » 31 Jan 2006, 01:35

please dont flame me i am not going against any project or anything but.. is this legali mean were taking all these content from all these differnt games and putting them into one engine do you have the liecence and the rights to do it.

I have a bad feeling this is starting to get a little bit dangerious.
Wasnt this engine designed only for total annihilation i was just wondering, but hey i am not knocking down any project at all i think all of them are amazing

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 31 Jan 2006, 02:26

NO, according to my information the engine was inicially built to support an entirely NEW RTS, but the SYs who built it were oldschool TA hackers and not artists so they figured they might aswell start with TA models. AND TA had many mods for different licences, not sure about things like C&C and 40K but deffinitely things like starwars were there...

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 31 Jan 2006, 03:16

I have personally played a CC:RA mod for OTA, and I believe there was also a mod with GDI and NOD, so this isn't exactly new territory.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 31 Jan 2006, 04:01

Its entirely spikeds risk, theres no way they could take down TAS for something somebody made for it, considering the SY's arn't in control of that.

They may be able to stop spiked from making it however.

DeathHawk · Post by **DeathHawk** » 31 Jan 2006, 10:36

lucus arts are the rightful owners of starwars not TA ad C&C is owned by EA and 40k is owned by THQ unless we have permission from all them saying its ok to take content from there game and putting it into ours i think this is starting to get dangerious we might get accused of pinching there content and we will be forced to shut down.

So why dont we do things the honest way just incase eather just stick with TA and keep improving that or right an email to all those companies asking permission for us to use there content if were not careful i bet something bet will happen and were going to loose everything we worked hard for!!!!

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 31 Jan 2006, 11:53

Try some full stops in there. Please. You have a good point, but reading what you said made my head hurt.

clericvash · Post by **clericvash** » 31 Jan 2006, 12:49

They can only stop the mod, not the engine.

Spring will always be around because it is open and free.

If a company doesn't like units we use we can change the units we use, simple.

FLOZi · Post by **FLOZi** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:10

His point is invalid anyway - we don't own TA, Atari do.

XTA is no more legal/illegal than a CnC mod or a SW mod or anything.

DeathHawk · Post by **DeathHawk** » 01 Feb 2006, 05:12

I didnt say anything about doing anything illegal i was just saying we shouldnt be porting all these differnt games into one engine.

We should just stick with one game and keep building up to it or make up some more expansions for TA not adding StarWars, dawn of war etc.

all i am saying is we should be more careful what were porting and we should do it the honest way by asking the owner of the game.

DeathHawk · Post by **DeathHawk** » 01 Feb 2006, 05:18

heres another idea if we wont these rights to TA so badly why dont we simply ask Atari and see what they say its not like there doin anything better with them anyways.

if they ask for a price for the rights why dont we try and raise what we need to get it, this way its safer to make games like this with out the risk of being shut down.

I belive in this project and i see a really big future for it and i dont wont it simply taken away from us, it would tear us all apart!!!

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 01 Feb 2006, 06:03

How about a nice hot mug of S.T.F.U.?

Sabutai · Post by **Sabutai** » 01 Feb 2006, 06:04

Deathhawk pls do shut up.

Games Workshop allows to make mods:

If you want to make a game, TC or a mod using our IP you must adhere to the following (in addition to the general principles as outlined above):

http://www.games-workshop.com/can_cant_do.htm

Star Wars allows using their material in this manner:

Any use of any of the materials on this Site other than for private, non-commercial viewing purposes is strictly prohibited.

http://www.starwars.com/welcome/about/copyright.html

EAs Anti-Piracy brochure(concerning C&C):

COUNTERFEIT/PIRATE PRODUCTS
A counterfeit or pirate product is an illegal copy of an authentic
product. The production, distribution, or sale of counterfeit or pirate
products is illegal. Counterfeit/pirate copies of EA’s products may
include silver CDs, gold CDRs, industrial DVDs, "burned" DVD-Rs,
“Warez” downloadable from the Internet, counterfeit game cartridges,
and the like.
In the laws of most countries today, it is illegal to make or distribute
copies of trademarked and/or copyrighted material without
authorization. Criminal penalties for copyright infringement include
fines and jail terms, or both. Civil laws provide remedies, including
injunctive relief and monetary damages. Counterfeiting and pirating
are illegal.
CHARACTERISTICS OF COUNTERFEIT PRODUCTS
How to tell a counterfeit EA software product
EA produces some of the highest quality software products in the
world. If the quality of a product is in question, it is most likely a
counterfeit/pirate product.
Generally speaking, legitimate EA product is shipped as full product.
This means that it generally comes with a manual, warranty card and
registration card either in paper form or in disc form.
Online Software
• All “warez” or “gamez” downloadable are counterfeit/pirate
• CDRs sold on online auctions are typically counterfeit/pirate
General
• Always be wary of any product selling at prices “too good to be
true”.

http://images.ea.com/legal/piracy/anti- ... ochure.pdf

As ppl arent copying C&C this can't be aplied. Its a mod of C&C for an advanced engine. So buy C&C!

And last but not least the wiki:

Mods in general are required to be non-commercial (free) when they include any parts from another mod, or the main game, which by their nature they always do. Some mods also become open source as well.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jse ... sbid=lc07a

DeathHawk · Post by **DeathHawk** » 01 Feb 2006, 06:30

I have got all C&C and Total annihalation and DAS BRUCE ... GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

Ban me see if i care

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 01 Feb 2006, 06:57

not that I want to see a C&C mod.. but death hawk.. most of this type of thing is considered fan art... at the worse he could get a cease an desist.

DeathHawk · Post by **DeathHawk** » 01 Feb 2006, 07:17

yup thats true smoth but all i sugested was for people to be careful when porting stuff from other games but all i do is get Flamed!!!

I dont care anymore what i have said is ended if i get ban so be it i will accept it with out question.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 01 Feb 2006, 08:20

yeah, people around here can be that way... I tried to fight it but sadly noone cares. Anyway, I wasn't trying to flame you... did I come across as such?

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