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Argh · Post by **Argh** » 25 Jan 2006, 16:14

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

Post by **jcnossen** » 25 Jan 2006, 16:17

You need to export the DDS textures with mipmaps in them, did you do that?

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 25 Jan 2006, 16:34

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 25 Jan 2006, 18:03

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 25 Jan 2006, 19:11

Here's the thing. The texture isn't what needs to be flipped, it's the model. Currently Spring inverts models on the X axis... so...

A B
A B
A B
A B

(viewing from the top) comes out:

B A
B A
B A
B A

Anyway, I guess they're fixing this or something... I reported it months back and I think I got a response from devs...

Also, I'm betting that the parts you're talking about don't exist on the model. You've gotta set up a hierarchy, and only objects which are liked to the base object will be exported.

Oh, also, if your units come out being completely scaled-off in one direction, you've gotta reset the scale and transform.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 25 Jan 2006, 19:13

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 25 Jan 2006, 19:15

Added a bit more info to my post, see if it helps at all

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 25 Jan 2006, 19:22

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

mongus · Post by **mongus** » 26 Jan 2006, 06:32

hm...

upspring is a box full of surprises.

seems it... forget the texture paths..

textures must be in the same path as the saved file or it will forget were it put them

thinking it again

maybe it never had path info, as s3o are supposed to be itnterpreted by spring that will look only in the known places?... unittextures...

got a tutorial script copy pasted over your unit and worked fine..

well almost.. it fires but shots himself, and has no texture..

ther IS the textures in unittextures folder in the hpi i made...

i could be the dds compression, what compresion was supported again?

.. it was the dds.. duh.. what dds.. will test different saving options...

looks fine with the targa.

the gun scpript is still wrong, but fires :)

ah! its the 3d sphere size!.. lemme check....

hm

couldnt get the turret or the dds to work.

the uv texture is displayed fine in upspring, but its messed in game..

oops.. this is what upspring thinks the rigth uv map is.
ups-idown...

how many turns are that?
hit: when it looks fine in upspring, mirror once more in x.

here, what that uvmap yields in game.

on modifing 3dos in upspring, if you scale or move (not usre) objects, the units that you move such object, are completelly not the same that same transformation shows in 3dobuilder, like measure units in upspring are overmultiplied... er...

like 1 in 3dobuilder is like 1.5 in upspring. :/

also loaded a 3do and saved as s3o.. no luck all the model was black and .. .. turned completelly...

as for turrets, never got them to work, even tested a side turret.

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//  script generated by Marcosoft LazyScripter
//   by Marco for Quantum Design - www.annihilated.com/quantum

piece Base, Body, FrontTurret, FrontTurretFlare, RightTurret1, RightTurret1Flare, RightTurret2, RightTurret2Flare, RearTurret, RearTurretFlare, LeftTurret1, LeftTurret1Flare, LeftTurret2, LeftTurret2Flare;

static-var restore_delay;
#define	SIG_AIM1	2
#define SMOKEPIECE1 base
#include "smokeunit.h"
#include "exptype.h"
#include "rockunit.h"
#include "hitweap.h"


Create()
	{
	restore_delay = 2000;
	hide RightTurret1Flare;
	start-script SmokeUnit();
	}

SetMaxReloadTime(time)
	{
	restore_delay = time * 2;
	}

RestoreAfterDelay()
	{
	sleep restore_delay;
	turn RightTurret1 to y-axis <0> speed <40.0>;
	return 0;
	}

SweetSpot (piecenum)
	{
	piecenum = RightTurret1Flare;
	}

QueryPrimary (piecenum)
	{
	piecenum = RightTurret1Flare;
	}

AimFromPrimary (piecenum)
	{
	piecenum = RightTurret1;
	}

AimPrimary(heading, pitch)
	{
	signal SIG_AIM1;
	set-signal-mask SIG_AIM1;
	turn RightTurret1 to y-axis heading speed <40>;
	turn RightTurret1 to x-axis pitch speed <40>;
	wait-for-turn RightTurret1 around y-axis;
	wait-for-turn RightTurret1 around x-axis;
	start-script RestoreAfterDelay();
	return(TRUE);
	}

FirePrimary()
	{
	show RightTurret1Flare;
	move RightTurret1 to z-axis [-1] speed [300];
	sleep 150;
	hide RightTurret1Flare;
	move RightTurret1 to z-axis [0] speed [300];
	return(0);
	}

Killed(severity, corpsetype)
	{
	if (severity <= 25)
		{
		corpsetype = 1;
		explode Base type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode Body type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode FrontTurret type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode FrontTurretFlare type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode RightTurret1 type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode RightTurret1Flare type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode RightTurret2 type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode RightTurret2Flare type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode RearTurret type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode RearTurretFlare type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode LeftTurret1 type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode LeftTurret1Flare type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode LeftTurret2 type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		explode LeftTurret2Flare type	BITMAPONLY | BITMAP1;
		return(0);
		}
	if (severity <= 50)
		{
		corpsetype = 2;
		explode Base type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode Body type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode FrontTurret type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode FrontTurretFlare type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode RightTurret1 type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode RightTurret1Flare type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode RightTurret2 type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode RightTurret2Flare type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode RearTurret type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode RearTurretFlare type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode LeftTurret1 type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode LeftTurret1Flare type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode LeftTurret2 type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		explode LeftTurret2Flare type	SHATTER | BITMAP4;
		return(0);
		}
	if (severity <= 99)
		{
		corpsetype = 3;
		explode Base type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode Body type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode FrontTurret type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode FrontTurretFlare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode RightTurret1 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode RightTurret1Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode RightTurret2 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode RightTurret2Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode RearTurret type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode RearTurretFlare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode LeftTurret1 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode LeftTurret1Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode LeftTurret2 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		explode LeftTurret2Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
		return(0);
		}
	corpsetype = 3;
	explode Base type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode Body type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode FrontTurret type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode FrontTurretFlare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode RightTurret1 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode RightTurret1Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode RightTurret2 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode RightTurret2Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode RearTurret type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode RearTurretFlare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode LeftTurret1 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode LeftTurret1Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode LeftTurret2 type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	explode LeftTurret2Flare type	FALL | SMOKE | FIRE | EXPLODE_ON_HIT | BITMAP2;
	return(0);
	}

AimPrimary part was tested this way also.

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AimPrimary(heading, pitch)
	{
	signal SIG_AIM1;
	set-signal-mask SIG_AIM1;
	turn RightTurret1 to y-axis heading speed <40>;
//	turn RightTurret1 to x-axis pitch speed <40>;
	wait-for-turn RightTurret1 around y-axis;
//	wait-for-turn RightTurret1 around x-axis;
	start-script RestoreAfterDelay();
	return(TRUE);
	}

both with front and rigth1 turr.

the turret doesnt move, the shot comes from like inside the unit.

sorry if all this is known issue, i just figured it myselve and have not read much the forums on it.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 26 Jan 2006, 06:39

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » 26 Jan 2006, 07:10

LazyScriptor has issues, try copy/pasting parts of script from OTA units?

Other than that, I haven't had time to look at it more closely.

Then again, I'm not likely to find anything, being a super-noob unit maker.

Post by **jcnossen** » 26 Jan 2006, 16:44

If you send me the model I can check it out...

Upspring internally can store much more piece information than s3o or 3do can. It stores rotation,scaling and translation info for every piece, and these are applied to the geometry when the model is saved. I'm not sure how this doesn't work for certain people... it works for me probably because I know what it does.
You can manually apply the these transformation values (rotation,scale,translation) to the model using the "Apply Transform" button (That's what I called it IIRC)
Maybe that might solve the issues with upspring distances/units seeming different than 3do builder distances/units.

mongus · Post by **mongus** » 26 Jan 2006, 17:41

What i did was rotate a piece and move it.

the model is the tutank.3do in madta scripting tutorial, here.

once saved and loaded again, the barrel3, has not the same shape or position as after the transformation.

Here is the model once saved, and screens of after (ups1) before (ups2).

if something is missing or you need more info, let me know.

Also, im having invalid piece number error in the smasher script (didnt nottice yesterday, was using F5).

will look at it and post later.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 27 Jan 2006, 00:18

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

mongus · Post by **mongus** » 27 Jan 2006, 03:38

About part origins Argh:

How did you set the part origins?

I mean the little dot that is supposed to be the rotation base.

In the model you uploaded, all turrets had its origin set right.

I would like to know how you did that, as i dont realize how to assign them yet.

tia.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 29 Jan 2006, 06:33

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 29 Jan 2006, 18:45

I'm using max 8, i import 3ds files that I've made in Wings and export s3o files with an already-done heirarchy via the connect command. All objects must be connected. (or connected by proxy, like Base > post > turret, so turret is connected to base)

Post by **jcnossen** » 29 Jan 2006, 19:56

it'd be nice if I could move objects up/down the parent/child tree

Cut/Copy/Paste allows you to do this.

The full S3O shading is very occasionally failing with me for some reason, resulting in black textures... apparently it's always failing with everyone else. I'll rewrite the shaders for the next release.

The next upspring will have a couple of improvements and fixes regarding textures, and will also add flip/mirror UV.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 29 Jan 2006, 22:13

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 30 Jan 2006, 07:49

I'm taking all this down. Spring's community has proven that it does not deserve my help.

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