Change donations recipient

[gajop]

This wiki page (http://springrts.com/wiki/Spring:Site_support) stills lists Licho as the recipient of Spring RTS donations even though we have been running the server separately for a while now and since today ZK doesn't even use the official server.
Please change to someone else or delete the page.

[gajop]

Also, the FAQ link: http://springrts.com/wiki/FAQ:general#I_want_to_donate. as well as the spring RTS page need to be changed.

Do we have a Spring RTS account we can use?

[Silentwings]

This page http://zero-k.info/Contributions also asks for donations to the Spring server & presumably needs updating.

[gajop]

I've cleaned up the two wikis on the springrts site. We need to reorganize things in springrts -> setup an account we can use for the server (and other things such as funding potentials engine improvements).
I'd like to clear up the financing and hierarchical structure here. This should be publicly available information.

Much like the Debian project: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization , but in small!

[Licho]

Tehcnically I would still be happy to host springrts things, Abma moved things on his own will against my will ..

[Licho]

Also gajop, nothing changed yesterday ... donation situation changed when Abma moved things out months ago on dansan server.

[Silentwings]

The sever move may have occurred against your will (I don't know, I actually never saw you express a viewpoint before, nor did I ever express one myself) but abma was not acting alone and publicly visible discussion took place on these forums and in #sy for a long time about the issues which led to the move, e.g. http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 50#p562331.

I don't mind who hosts the donations but, as I've said before, I think Spring and ZK donations should be clearly split (and the money which was previously also donated to an unclear cause should be dealt with too).

[gajop]

I appreciate your interest to still host lobby.springrts but that seems to have been decided against in: http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=32650
It's also true that all these donation links on springrts were linked with your paypal account even though you were no longer responsible for it.
I don't know who did what with the donation money, or if any of it went to dansan's server. It's not clear who's hosting bots, where the springrts.com website is at, and so on...
I think we need to clear this all up next, especially since we might be able to use it for cools things like funding engine development!

[Licho]

Well decided by who? I accept that though and I removed all references to spring from ZK donation page.

[Silentwings]

I removed all references to spring from ZK donation page.

Thanks! Could you also estimate the amount of money + bitcoins that Spring is due from that page? (Obviously any decision on how to actually use of that money would be a big discussion, but this doesn't stop knowing how much there is.)

[Licho]

I stopped asking for donations on spring page when it was covering server cost some year and half ago I think.

From then links were only on ZK site. I will try to estimate excess.

[gajop]

I stopped asking for donations on spring page when it was covering server cost some year and half ago I think.

From then links were only on ZK site. I will try to estimate excess.

Links were on the wiki as well until today.
Not saying it's your responsibility to clean it up.. but just saying it was there.

[PepeAmpere]

Btw1: It is sad but we see it again. The same stone-age communication level as we have every time. I would dotate money for communication skills course for abma and other members of his gang, if you create specific account for it.

I'd like to clear up the financing and hierarchical structure here. This should be publicly available information.

Btw2: I would also suggest to create official institution representing the spring as whole with clear rules of decision making and elections + where engine devs, community leads, content devs (and their game-communities leads) roles (representatives) are separated.

Btw3: Everyone who listen me sometimes know that I like to criticize Zero-K for many its aspects, but one thing i do not ignore. Zero-K is one of few projects which keeps Spring alive and it was Zero-K dudes initiative to care about donations and server maintaince. Doing changes secretly in shadows without proper communication with them (and without proper communication with all affected people) is poor concept. One thread on forum is really not enough to "communicate things" to people.

[Anarchid]

I'd like to clear up the financing and hierarchical structure here. This should be publicly available information.

+1

[gajop]

Btw1: It is sad but we see it again. The same stone-age communication level as we have every time. I would dotate money for communication skills course for abma and other members of his gang, if you create specific account for it.

If this includes drinking money to practice that, consider me too!

Btw2: I would also suggest to create official institution representing the spring as whole with clear rules of decision making and elections + where engine devs, community leads, content devs (and their game-communities leads) roles (representatives) are separated.

Agreed. Roles should be separated, but since community is so small people should have multiple roles. Even far larger communities like Debian seem to do it.

Doing changes secretly in shadows without proper communication with them (and without proper communication with all affected people) is poor concept. One thread on forum is really not enough to "communicate things" to people.

This is nonsense. All changes were well documented and discussed before they happened. It was visible to anyone who cared. This is unlike the ZK changes such as the decision to fork uberserver, which wasn't really discussed (publically?) at all.
Also, where did you think this communication happened that ZK members can't read?
I even went and discussed all my past and future changes in #zkdev and with Licho directly. Exactly what do you think we should be doing more?

[Licho]

ZK decision to move was discussed in numerous threads on ZK forum, github tickets etc...
They failed to generate much interest.. I took it that nobody is against and moved forward.

[Silentwings]

Nonetheless, it was not discussed in these forums (afaik) - an announcement/warning of your decision to move to a separate lobbyserver would not have gone amiss. But from what I've read it looks as though the move went smoothly.

[abma]

They failed to generate much interest.. I took it that nobody is against and moved forward.

cool, GoogleFrog, Anarchid, xponen and me count as nobody.

https://github.com/ZeroK-RTS/Zero-K-Inf ... issues/355

[Licho]

Well I talked with all of them later real time in #zkdev and nobody asked me to stop ...

I would still like to add federation feature to connect servers together - or merge ZK fork into springrts.com uberserver.

[Silentwings]

Maybe melbot or something like it could be used to connect particular channels together? Beyond that sounds complicated to me.

(Licho's federation idea: https://github.com/spring/uberserver/issues/129, https://github.com/spring/uberserver/issues/130)