Wheeled units get stuck

[code_man]

Wheeled units (turnInPlace = false,) have this awful tendency to get stuck on cliffs and i have no what to do about this.

Can i lua my way out or will devs do something about it enginewise?

[Jools]

Also noted this happening.Bring back the ping pong?

[Silentwings]

What engine are you using? I remember they used to do this alot but haven't seen any problems with it in 95/96.

[Jools]

It happens sometimes with 96 too, especially on maps with edges. Usually jeffies etc get stuck on the edges and can only be atlased out.

[Silentwings]

Never seen it, but it doesn't sound like smth you could easily avoid with lua. You could periodically check over all mobile units to see if they are right next to a cliff edge and have been there for a while, and if so move them, but it sounds a bit unreliable.

will devs do something about it enginewise?

That would presumably need you to make a bug report.

[code_man]

What engine are you using? I remember they used to do this alot but haven't seen any problems with it in 95/96.

0.96, ok so file a bug report eh?

[Silentwings]

I would think so, although I've never seen what you're describing myself - obviously it should contain a replay.

[Jools]

Yeah, and try to make the replay as short as possible.

I was trying to look for replays, but it doesn't happen very often for me. Maybe it's only on certain maps, so could be cause of map.

[code_man]

Ok il try to make one.
Dont replays require the game it was made with to be availble too?

[Silentwings]

Yes they do.

[code_man]

Ok this here should briefly show whats up, attached the replay.

I also here attach a link to my game but dont distribute it needlesly as its in a crappy state and not really fit for playing yet.
Dont show screenshots yet either unless nececary please.
https://owncloud.cybnet.ch/public.php?s ... b9398d8c74

[Silentwings]

Bug reports about the engine should go to springrts.com/mantis.

[code_man]

Ok then il put up there later.

[knorke]

Between engines units physics and pathing usually changes a bit.
It might be better in next version, it might be worse or it might just be "different."

if units are able to reverse (see maxReverseVelocity on wiki) I find they can often free themself a bit easier.

[code_man]

The units i tested it with are capable of moving backwards, but that doenst seem to help them much.

The thing is depending on the map it can be quite bad, sure i could just make them turn in place, but that would make the entire parameter pointless.
So something should be done about this.

Sidenote: i noticed said units turn in place when given an attack order within weapon rang and in direct control mode aswel, is this a glitch too?

[smoth]

is the unit getting stuck because it moved into a place where it normally would not path to?

If so, this could be an issue with your units getting pushed into this place.

[Jools]

Yes, the units get stuck because they end up in area that is "red" in F2. I don't think it's always because of pushing or explosions etc, I think it's also sometimes PFS directing them there.

[smoth]

pfs now pushes units out of the way more than before. I thought kloot had a check before a unit gets pushed out of the way of another unit but apparently not

[Jools]

But it's better that units get stuck than that they start the ping pong. I can understand that units get stuck, it probbaly happened during Operation_Barbarossa as well. But ping pong never happens in real life.

[smoth]

They do and yeah the ping pong was silly, I think maybe a check should happen before a unit is pushed to see IF the unit can be pushed in that direction. I absolutely loathe having a unit getting pushed INTO features or terrain they cannot escape.