An interesting Article about the Decriminalization of drugs in Portugal and the results.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 46,00.html
A short documentary about a devastating new home cooked Russian drug called Krokodil and its effects on it's users.
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/siberia-k ... ull-length
A Krokodil addict having his legs cut off cause of the effects of the drug.
Watch out, this video is pretty extreme!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgHciaSA7h0
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My favorite subject 
Independent research and trials have always supported drug de-criminalisation. It doesn't happen for political and commercial reasons. The history is facinating.
20's - 30's: Alcohol prohibition tried and failed, conclusively showed that criminalising recreational substances leads to more crime, not less and more harm to users and society.
30's: Out-of-work "G-men" (FBI's prohibition enforcers) find an ally in the treasury (Randolf Hearst's nethew) who introduces cannabis prohibition under the guise of a new tax. The "tax" was something like 200% of the wholesale cost which made hemp non-competitve with industrial cotton and timber for raw materials (almost nobody smoked cannabis before it was criminalised, but it was widely used for fibre, paper, canvas, oil and medicines). The tax is later converted to outright prohibition as the government tries to sell its story that cannabis users are all psychotic rapists using propaganda movies like Assassin of Youth and Reefer Madness.
40's: Cannabis re-legalised for the war effort - now cannabis is good for America. Farmers even paid to grow cannabis for war materials. Re-criminalised after the war for no apparent reason. US wins war and also bans cannabis in Japan as part of surrender conditions for good measure.
50's (till now): Regular studies showing drug prohibition is causing exactly the same problems that alcohol prohibition caused. Typical government response - ignore the studies, attack the scientists, spend even more money on prohibition.
60's: US uses its UN leverage to force its failed policies on the world via the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs 1961, an agreement which forces countries to not only ban trade in certain drugs but also effectively requires governments to ensure that all research and public education regarding those drugs follows the "drugs are harmful" line. Most countries object but finally passed with the condition the UN maintain a seedbank of cannabis strains for species preservation, medical research and future needs. US agrees then lets seedbank quietly decay - effectively vandalising over 10,000 years of genetic research and hybridisation.
70's: Despite huge shifts in social attitudes the government continues to ignore the will of the majority and massively increases spending on enforcement. It also goes further and criminalises LSD without any evidence of medical harm. US army becomes one of America's largest heroin importers thanks to a constant stream of personnel and material from Vietnam.
80's: Coccaine becomes big in wealthy circles. Remains illegal despite being a party favorite for lawyers and judges. Ecstasy crimalised despite having no known dangers and being used extensively in psychopherapy for over a decade. DEA and CIA caught buying huge quantities of drugs from Cuban terrorists in exchange for weapons.
90's: Ecstacy explodes despite having been criminalised only 5 years earlier showing once again that criminalising drugs increases demand. Many attempts to re-legalise non-drug hemp products and seeds get railroaded and buried by the DEA. Forfeiture laws expanded to allow agencies to easily seize any assets "connected with drugs" even when the owner has not been convicted of any crime. Forteiture becomes so popular with agencies that by 2010 over $2 billion in assets are seized every year.
00's: Worried about studies showing many legitimate medical uses of cannabis for cancer and glaucoma the DEA teams with a major US pharma to sell "Dronabinol" (Marinol). Dronabinol is the THC molecule renamed and placed under a different legal category. In practice this means the DEA has a monopoly on the legal traffic of an illegal drug which is only illegal becuse it has "no medical uses" and only has "no medical uses" due to that being the DEA's argument for criminalisation. California goes rogue and passes a bill legalising medical marijuana. DEA refuses to acknowledge the law despite being a medical maijuana supplier itself. CIA ordered to investigate itself over claims it sold crack in US cities - finds itself innocent.
The history of US drug law is an epic tale of corruption and lies. What we have are a selected group of popular substances, mostly naturally occuring, most with low medical risks, most with legitimate medical uses, made and kept illegal domestically and worldwide via agreements and for reasons that have been repeatedly shown to be exagerations and outright lies.
This leads one to the conclusion that there must be other reasons for criminalisation and since we are talking about the US here I'd put my money on those reasons being closely tied with the immense profits of US pharmaceuticals, the legal system and privatised prisons (in 2005, about 500,000 US prisoners were in jail on drug charges at any given time). I'd also say it's about keeping places like South America, Asia and the Middle East in constant internal strife by playing governments and drug producers off against each other and selling arms to both sides.
Independent research and trials have always supported drug de-criminalisation. It doesn't happen for political and commercial reasons. The history is facinating.20's - 30's: Alcohol prohibition tried and failed, conclusively showed that criminalising recreational substances leads to more crime, not less and more harm to users and society.
30's: Out-of-work "G-men" (FBI's prohibition enforcers) find an ally in the treasury (Randolf Hearst's nethew) who introduces cannabis prohibition under the guise of a new tax. The "tax" was something like 200% of the wholesale cost which made hemp non-competitve with industrial cotton and timber for raw materials (almost nobody smoked cannabis before it was criminalised, but it was widely used for fibre, paper, canvas, oil and medicines). The tax is later converted to outright prohibition as the government tries to sell its story that cannabis users are all psychotic rapists using propaganda movies like Assassin of Youth and Reefer Madness.
40's: Cannabis re-legalised for the war effort - now cannabis is good for America. Farmers even paid to grow cannabis for war materials. Re-criminalised after the war for no apparent reason. US wins war and also bans cannabis in Japan as part of surrender conditions for good measure.
50's (till now): Regular studies showing drug prohibition is causing exactly the same problems that alcohol prohibition caused. Typical government response - ignore the studies, attack the scientists, spend even more money on prohibition.
60's: US uses its UN leverage to force its failed policies on the world via the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs 1961, an agreement which forces countries to not only ban trade in certain drugs but also effectively requires governments to ensure that all research and public education regarding those drugs follows the "drugs are harmful" line. Most countries object but finally passed with the condition the UN maintain a seedbank of cannabis strains for species preservation, medical research and future needs. US agrees then lets seedbank quietly decay - effectively vandalising over 10,000 years of genetic research and hybridisation.
70's: Despite huge shifts in social attitudes the government continues to ignore the will of the majority and massively increases spending on enforcement. It also goes further and criminalises LSD without any evidence of medical harm. US army becomes one of America's largest heroin importers thanks to a constant stream of personnel and material from Vietnam.
80's: Coccaine becomes big in wealthy circles. Remains illegal despite being a party favorite for lawyers and judges. Ecstasy crimalised despite having no known dangers and being used extensively in psychopherapy for over a decade. DEA and CIA caught buying huge quantities of drugs from Cuban terrorists in exchange for weapons.
90's: Ecstacy explodes despite having been criminalised only 5 years earlier showing once again that criminalising drugs increases demand. Many attempts to re-legalise non-drug hemp products and seeds get railroaded and buried by the DEA. Forfeiture laws expanded to allow agencies to easily seize any assets "connected with drugs" even when the owner has not been convicted of any crime. Forteiture becomes so popular with agencies that by 2010 over $2 billion in assets are seized every year.
00's: Worried about studies showing many legitimate medical uses of cannabis for cancer and glaucoma the DEA teams with a major US pharma to sell "Dronabinol" (Marinol). Dronabinol is the THC molecule renamed and placed under a different legal category. In practice this means the DEA has a monopoly on the legal traffic of an illegal drug which is only illegal becuse it has "no medical uses" and only has "no medical uses" due to that being the DEA's argument for criminalisation. California goes rogue and passes a bill legalising medical marijuana. DEA refuses to acknowledge the law despite being a medical maijuana supplier itself. CIA ordered to investigate itself over claims it sold crack in US cities - finds itself innocent.
The history of US drug law is an epic tale of corruption and lies. What we have are a selected group of popular substances, mostly naturally occuring, most with low medical risks, most with legitimate medical uses, made and kept illegal domestically and worldwide via agreements and for reasons that have been repeatedly shown to be exagerations and outright lies.
This leads one to the conclusion that there must be other reasons for criminalisation and since we are talking about the US here I'd put my money on those reasons being closely tied with the immense profits of US pharmaceuticals, the legal system and privatised prisons (in 2005, about 500,000 US prisoners were in jail on drug charges at any given time). I'd also say it's about keeping places like South America, Asia and the Middle East in constant internal strife by playing governments and drug producers off against each other and selling arms to both sides.
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Rumpelstiltskin
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp
"Hemp is thus legally grown in many countries across the world including Spain, China, Japan, Korea, France, North Africa and Ireland."
"Hemp is one of the faster growing biomasses known"
"Hemp is thus legally grown in many countries across the world including Spain, China, Japan, Korea, France, North Africa and Ireland."
"Hemp is one of the faster growing biomasses known"
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Well so is algae.
I don't think hemp's use in industry is an argument that really matters that much anymore (due to 60 years of development in synthetics and mechanization that excluded hemp). If anyone is going to benefit it'll be third-world countries not the west. I find the medical and social issues far more compelling.
I visited some hemp farms in Australia during a trial program many years ago. What I found was that the government put the timber industry in charge of the program by proxy through a semi-goverment entity called the "Department of Natural Resources and Environment" and they went about systematically ensuring it would fail by putting impossible conditions on the growers (like charging thousands of dollars each time they inspect your crop).
I don't think hemp's use in industry is an argument that really matters that much anymore (due to 60 years of development in synthetics and mechanization that excluded hemp). If anyone is going to benefit it'll be third-world countries not the west. I find the medical and social issues far more compelling.
I visited some hemp farms in Australia during a trial program many years ago. What I found was that the government put the timber industry in charge of the program by proxy through a semi-goverment entity called the "Department of Natural Resources and Environment" and they went about systematically ensuring it would fail by putting impossible conditions on the growers (like charging thousands of dollars each time they inspect your crop).
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danil_kalina
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Re: Drugs
in case you are wondering why krokodil is causing these conditions it's because of improper preparation... the "solution" they make through heating the components and ingredients are a) not sterile b) not entirely dissolved and c) contain tiny undissolved particles like phosphor from matches that are highly toxic and will damage organs and blood vessels alike...
the condition is caused by injecting an emulsion (mixture of a liquid containing unsoluble components) i.v. which clogs the tiny blood vessels right beneath your skin and damages larger vessels as well and may cause a thrombosis. either way, portions of the skin will become necrotic, as in the cells rot away due to lack of blood in the tiny vessels and the thrombosis is the reason why i.e. a leg rots away.
you could inject superfine sand instead and end up with the same condition.
so kids be on the safe side of life and prepare your drugs correctly!
when the drug is correctly "cooked" and therefore a solution all is fine and you get your cheap homemade heroine kick.
the condition is caused by injecting an emulsion (mixture of a liquid containing unsoluble components) i.v. which clogs the tiny blood vessels right beneath your skin and damages larger vessels as well and may cause a thrombosis. either way, portions of the skin will become necrotic, as in the cells rot away due to lack of blood in the tiny vessels and the thrombosis is the reason why i.e. a leg rots away.
you could inject superfine sand instead and end up with the same condition.
so kids be on the safe side of life and prepare your drugs correctly!
when the drug is correctly "cooked" and therefore a solution all is fine and you get your cheap homemade heroine kick.
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It's always sadly amusing and ironic how:
- Some of the most harmful things are socially accepted (polluting the planet, smoking of cigarettes, drinking of alcohol, mcdonalds, all kinds of additives and other examples of eating "non-food")
- Some of the healthy/non harmful things are socially stigmatized and/or banned (DMT, LSD or mushrooms, also non-drug examples such as simply eating proper food)
- Most modern "medicine" increase death rates and have many other harmful effects such as compromising immune system (see: a ton of placebo tests you can find everywhere, or personal experience)
- Substances and lifestyles which actually are effective in making sure we stay healthy are either rarely used/done and/or banned.
- Some of the most harmful things are socially accepted (polluting the planet, smoking of cigarettes, drinking of alcohol, mcdonalds, all kinds of additives and other examples of eating "non-food")
- Some of the healthy/non harmful things are socially stigmatized and/or banned (DMT, LSD or mushrooms, also non-drug examples such as simply eating proper food)
- Most modern "medicine" increase death rates and have many other harmful effects such as compromising immune system (see: a ton of placebo tests you can find everywhere, or personal experience)
- Substances and lifestyles which actually are effective in making sure we stay healthy are either rarely used/done and/or banned.
This is a great summary.SpliFF wrote:Story
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Well, i wouldnt call those substances harmless. Heroin done by the parents, it fucks up the family...
what is actually strange is this idea, that society has a right to stop some of its members from kicking there heads out. And the ability. And can really do that. I mean.. its something that has always been there.. from the catholic church condeming trinking to i dont know... the prohibition.
And these campaigns always have supporters and nobody gives a buck for empiric evidence. I mean.. guess what would happen the day the americano war on drugs would be won? Thats right.. they would be hitting the bars, long and hard. And if you would take them this, they would search shrooms in the forrest... and if you guard the forrests.. im pretty sure, you can get high, if you put electrodes on the right spots..you just cann not policy behaviour. Its ridiculous.
So why is it even tried again and again? If its not a thing with reasons, why then?
My personal opinnion is, that a little bit of drug addiction is the currency, that keeps almost all relationships together- and if you can get high elsewhere, thats what i would call a deflation. Means, if the "love" of your live, gets drunk every day, you have nothing to bribe him into fixxing the leaky roof. You could do it yourself.. but that would be work. A wild reason appears. Its not so nice, but quite understandable.
what is actually strange is this idea, that society has a right to stop some of its members from kicking there heads out. And the ability. And can really do that. I mean.. its something that has always been there.. from the catholic church condeming trinking to i dont know... the prohibition.
And these campaigns always have supporters and nobody gives a buck for empiric evidence. I mean.. guess what would happen the day the americano war on drugs would be won? Thats right.. they would be hitting the bars, long and hard. And if you would take them this, they would search shrooms in the forrest... and if you guard the forrests.. im pretty sure, you can get high, if you put electrodes on the right spots..you just cann not policy behaviour. Its ridiculous.
So why is it even tried again and again? If its not a thing with reasons, why then?
My personal opinnion is, that a little bit of drug addiction is the currency, that keeps almost all relationships together- and if you can get high elsewhere, thats what i would call a deflation. Means, if the "love" of your live, gets drunk every day, you have nothing to bribe him into fixxing the leaky roof. You could do it yourself.. but that would be work. A wild reason appears. Its not so nice, but quite understandable.
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The entire point is, that if you legalize such substances less people use them and the crime surrounding them stops. The non harmful ones such as cannabis have no good reason to be illegal. Nobody said heroin is harmless, in fact it is one of the most harmful ones.PicassoCT wrote:Well, i wouldnt call those substances harmless. Heroin done by the parents, it fucks up the family...
what is actually strange is this idea, that society has a right to stop some of its members from kicking there heads out. And the ability. And can really do that. I mean.. its something that has always been there.. from the catholic church condeming trinking to i dont know... the prohibition.
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Rumpelstiltskin
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Re: Drugs
I don't think eating healthy is stigmatized.
It's just more effort.
It is true most medications have many harmful side effects but they are taken when the side effects are not as bad as what would have happened if they were not taken.
The real issue IS what to do with people who want to take drugs for pleasure.
More and more countries are moving towards legalizing or at least decriminalizing weed and I'd guess the harder drugs will follow, unless we get some more data about the whole thing and devise some other way of dealing with certain substances.
By the way Krokodil is A Russian drug because codeine is available over the counter there and is used to make a dirty form of Desomorphine.
Desomorphine itself is just a stronger, shorter acting, version of diacetylmorphine(heroin).
Russia also has no Opioid replacement therapy.
They treat methadone like they treat heroin while in many other places it is used to help people get off heroin.
these are usually people living in some god forsaken soviet era village hundreds of miles from any city without any options in life.
They get addicted to Heroin but than can't afford it.
To stave off Heroin withdrawal they start using Krokodil because you can buy the ingredients and its cheap.
Heroin itself is a relatively safe addictive drug, with deaths usually being from overdose caused by a lack of regulation of the quantity people take.
Someone injects a dose with 10% heroin but than his dealer sells him 50%. The user overdoses and dies.
The thing about Heroin is tha addicts gain heavy tolerances to other analgesics (painkillers) as they up their use.
Once you inject Krokodil, you get that nice high for about two hours. Unfortunately, it comes with all that toxic baggage too. This causes tissue damage, which is what most people remember the drug by. Usually, scaly scabby bits with skin peeling at first. It gets bad though- bad enough to actually cause massive cell death within the tissues.
This is usually first seen as little black/purple bruise looking spots- which are areas where the cells are completely dead. Once escalated, you've got full on gangrene and very large black spots of dead body. It'll eventually turn into a nice hole and gap in the skin where you can see the yellow layers under your skin (fat) as well as the bone sometimes.
Past that, you're also going to get blood clots- sometimes fatal ones, which can be a blessing in some cases. Everything the length of your vein is in pain while the area is swelling and becomes a nice red color. As an added bonus all these problems you're giving your blood stream, along with the tissue decay, will add up to mini-strokes. Medical term TIA, they're just as advertised, miniature strokes. You'll get vision problems, your brain is in a fucked state, and areas of your body (edit: face, mouth, normal stroke stuff) may become temporarily paralyzed.
What's next is are infections and abscess.
This is a massive problem for krokodil users.
They're very quick to develop once all this piles up, and they certainly help support everything else towards the goal of killing you.
Bacteria buildup happens in abscesses pretty quickly in this sort of environment, and the drugs aid this.
If you're unlucky enough with infections you might even get gas gangrene, so some of that dead flesh of yours will have bubbles of skin expand above it.
Sometimes you'll not only see dry gangrene but wet gangrene. Meaning microorganisms, bacteria, etc are all living in the dead parts of the body.
Why keep going after it becomes that bad?
It's made you stupid.
You're getting little blood to your brain, and most of all, the krokodil's usually being mixed with tropicamide.
This happens a ton if you're mixing from home because of the ingredients you're bound to be cooking with. Most users also cook from home as it's a pretty easy process.
Tropicamide, when abused like this, is a deliriant.
It can make you dumbed down and confused, almost like you've just woken up or you're in a dream state.
Every minimum duration for it lasts longer than krokodil's maximum duration, meaning you're bound to still have a foggy mind for quite a while after sobering up from the krok.
Now, Tropicamide is well known to cause suicidal thoughts. Suicide means nothing if you can feel good killing yourself slowly, so fuck it, go full throttle with the krokodil till it's over. May as well.
But you decide otherwise.
You somehow get a break, you decide you're going to detox and get rid of this, you've got a life to live.
You have no idea what you're in for.
On krokodil, pain tolerance is much higher.
Doctors have to balance out dosage in terms of not killing you, while having to keep you awake (the pain would knock you out otherwise) so you don't die. You're conscious the entire time- and in more pain than imaginable.
Krokodil withdrawal lasts 1-2 months, and is reportedly the worst withdrawal you can possibly have of any drug. But they've got to fix your body up in those 1-2 months, so you can't pick and choose with the pains.
To fix all those dead bits that are still on you, they've got to either pick out pieces (from the holes, kind of like serving soup from a pot), or amputate chunks of it from your body. This can be done chemically, surgically, or through use of maggots. Either way, it's going to hurt, because you've got no dose of painkiller that can help without killing you.
Most of the time your dead bits are going to be scattered about on the body's surface, so the go-to method is manually picking them out from the holes in your body.
Your abscesses and other infections have to be taken care of the same way, unless they've become bad enough to take care of with a larger scale instrument. After that's all done and over with, you get to bide your time with lots of gaping holes in your body while you heal up, then you get to deal with the blood and vein issues you've given yourself.
It's just more effort.
It is true most medications have many harmful side effects but they are taken when the side effects are not as bad as what would have happened if they were not taken.
The real issue IS what to do with people who want to take drugs for pleasure.
More and more countries are moving towards legalizing or at least decriminalizing weed and I'd guess the harder drugs will follow, unless we get some more data about the whole thing and devise some other way of dealing with certain substances.
By the way Krokodil is A Russian drug because codeine is available over the counter there and is used to make a dirty form of Desomorphine.
Desomorphine itself is just a stronger, shorter acting, version of diacetylmorphine(heroin).
Russia also has no Opioid replacement therapy.
They treat methadone like they treat heroin while in many other places it is used to help people get off heroin.
these are usually people living in some god forsaken soviet era village hundreds of miles from any city without any options in life.
They get addicted to Heroin but than can't afford it.
To stave off Heroin withdrawal they start using Krokodil because you can buy the ingredients and its cheap.
Heroin itself is a relatively safe addictive drug, with deaths usually being from overdose caused by a lack of regulation of the quantity people take.
Someone injects a dose with 10% heroin but than his dealer sells him 50%. The user overdoses and dies.
The thing about Heroin is tha addicts gain heavy tolerances to other analgesics (painkillers) as they up their use.
Once you inject Krokodil, you get that nice high for about two hours. Unfortunately, it comes with all that toxic baggage too. This causes tissue damage, which is what most people remember the drug by. Usually, scaly scabby bits with skin peeling at first. It gets bad though- bad enough to actually cause massive cell death within the tissues.
This is usually first seen as little black/purple bruise looking spots- which are areas where the cells are completely dead. Once escalated, you've got full on gangrene and very large black spots of dead body. It'll eventually turn into a nice hole and gap in the skin where you can see the yellow layers under your skin (fat) as well as the bone sometimes.
Past that, you're also going to get blood clots- sometimes fatal ones, which can be a blessing in some cases. Everything the length of your vein is in pain while the area is swelling and becomes a nice red color. As an added bonus all these problems you're giving your blood stream, along with the tissue decay, will add up to mini-strokes. Medical term TIA, they're just as advertised, miniature strokes. You'll get vision problems, your brain is in a fucked state, and areas of your body (edit: face, mouth, normal stroke stuff) may become temporarily paralyzed.
What's next is are infections and abscess.
This is a massive problem for krokodil users.
They're very quick to develop once all this piles up, and they certainly help support everything else towards the goal of killing you.
Bacteria buildup happens in abscesses pretty quickly in this sort of environment, and the drugs aid this.
If you're unlucky enough with infections you might even get gas gangrene, so some of that dead flesh of yours will have bubbles of skin expand above it.
Sometimes you'll not only see dry gangrene but wet gangrene. Meaning microorganisms, bacteria, etc are all living in the dead parts of the body.
Why keep going after it becomes that bad?
It's made you stupid.
You're getting little blood to your brain, and most of all, the krokodil's usually being mixed with tropicamide.
This happens a ton if you're mixing from home because of the ingredients you're bound to be cooking with. Most users also cook from home as it's a pretty easy process.
Tropicamide, when abused like this, is a deliriant.
It can make you dumbed down and confused, almost like you've just woken up or you're in a dream state.
Every minimum duration for it lasts longer than krokodil's maximum duration, meaning you're bound to still have a foggy mind for quite a while after sobering up from the krok.
Now, Tropicamide is well known to cause suicidal thoughts. Suicide means nothing if you can feel good killing yourself slowly, so fuck it, go full throttle with the krokodil till it's over. May as well.
But you decide otherwise.
You somehow get a break, you decide you're going to detox and get rid of this, you've got a life to live.
You have no idea what you're in for.
On krokodil, pain tolerance is much higher.
Doctors have to balance out dosage in terms of not killing you, while having to keep you awake (the pain would knock you out otherwise) so you don't die. You're conscious the entire time- and in more pain than imaginable.
Krokodil withdrawal lasts 1-2 months, and is reportedly the worst withdrawal you can possibly have of any drug. But they've got to fix your body up in those 1-2 months, so you can't pick and choose with the pains.
To fix all those dead bits that are still on you, they've got to either pick out pieces (from the holes, kind of like serving soup from a pot), or amputate chunks of it from your body. This can be done chemically, surgically, or through use of maggots. Either way, it's going to hurt, because you've got no dose of painkiller that can help without killing you.
Most of the time your dead bits are going to be scattered about on the body's surface, so the go-to method is manually picking them out from the holes in your body.
Your abscesses and other infections have to be taken care of the same way, unless they've become bad enough to take care of with a larger scale instrument. After that's all done and over with, you get to bide your time with lots of gaping holes in your body while you heal up, then you get to deal with the blood and vein issues you've given yourself.
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Didn't they put more restrictions into who can get codeine in Russia, which came to effect just a month or two ago?
Anyway I never saw the point of taking good codeine and making it into stronger and extremely unpure substance. That's like drinking denatured alcohol since it's cheaper than proper vodka, just steal more money so you can get proper dosage of that codeine ffs.
Anyway I never saw the point of taking good codeine and making it into stronger and extremely unpure substance. That's like drinking denatured alcohol since it's cheaper than proper vodka, just steal more money so you can get proper dosage of that codeine ffs.
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on the note of that krokodil problem: absolutely disgusting. when they go into the ruined building shooting gallery, and the guy explains that the eye-drop bottles are there because you can inject them to multiply the high i think is really when it got me... is there some sort of shamanistic knowledge acquired by shooting up, or did they just try injecting and mixing together everything they could in a long process to determine what buzz things from the pharmacy could give you?
sarcastically related: http://youtu.be/BqPNpZzE9xc
i'm fully for decriminalization. the police should be out there catching rapists and murderers, not wasting our tax dollars chasing junkies. my provinces unofficial #2 export is marijuana, second only to cars, and as the auto industry here dies and our "christian values" conservative government allows the opening of private prisons and changes the laws around drugs to be more strict (growing more than 5 weed plants? that's a year in jail)
i honestly feel that the problem all along is that the policymakers have never actually tried any of the drugs they are making rules about, and the people who have experience or can find positivity in more relaxed rules regarding them are dismissed as crazy hippies.
i'm sure that shooting junk is a bad idea, but at the same time, by making drug addicts into criminals it pushes them to the margins of society and makes it more difficult for them to seek help.
if you enjoyed the vice krokodil episode, you should check out "ross kemp meets the glue kids of kenya" as i promise it's even sadder, although probably on an equal level as far as horror.
http://youtu.be/p2W-yAyLnsU
edit: hoi mushrooms are harmful to me. puked every time!
sarcastically related: http://youtu.be/BqPNpZzE9xc
i'm fully for decriminalization. the police should be out there catching rapists and murderers, not wasting our tax dollars chasing junkies. my provinces unofficial #2 export is marijuana, second only to cars, and as the auto industry here dies and our "christian values" conservative government allows the opening of private prisons and changes the laws around drugs to be more strict (growing more than 5 weed plants? that's a year in jail)
i honestly feel that the problem all along is that the policymakers have never actually tried any of the drugs they are making rules about, and the people who have experience or can find positivity in more relaxed rules regarding them are dismissed as crazy hippies.
i'm sure that shooting junk is a bad idea, but at the same time, by making drug addicts into criminals it pushes them to the margins of society and makes it more difficult for them to seek help.
if you enjoyed the vice krokodil episode, you should check out "ross kemp meets the glue kids of kenya" as i promise it's even sadder, although probably on an equal level as far as horror.
http://youtu.be/p2W-yAyLnsU
edit: hoi mushrooms are harmful to me. puked every time!
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Also, these guys: http://www.zenncars.com/