Fukushima disaster level raised to level 7 (like chernobil)

[Hoi]

What started as less serious than Three Mile Island has just become as serious as Chernobyl, with the Fukushima disaster assessment having been raised to the highest, Level 7. From NHK: "For a series of accidents happening at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency of the Ministry of Economy, which released large amounts of radioactive substances that affect human health and the environment in a wide range As an assessment based on international standards of the accident, the worst "level seven" decided to raise. "Level 7" is the same as the evaluation occurred in the Soviet Chernobyl disaster. Nuclear Safety Agency, 12, held a press conference with the Nuclear Safety Commission has decided to publish the contents of the evaluation." Of course, due to the much greater concentration of people, and the far smaller land territory, should Japan continue to persist with "controlling" the crisis with the same success as it has over the past month, very soon a Level of 8 and/or higher may be required. In the meantime, we are getting unconfirmed reports that radiation content in Hawaii milk is orders of magnitude greater than Federal Drinking water limits. While one can bicker over the exact number, it is certain that as long as Fukushima continues to billow radioactive smoke, steam and/or water, cumulative radiation levels, both domestically and globally, can only go in one direction.

Nuclear levels measured near the reactor are more than 2-3x higher than those measured during the chernobil disaster.

This really is an enormous disaster and the managers of the plant caused it by not acting properly.

Discuss.

[zwzsg]

[quote] + "discuss" is a poor way to start a thread.

[SwiftSpear]

http://mitnse.com/

Would you post a source? For this particular event there's alot of misinformation and fear mongering going on.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

source? googling that quote took me to questionable websites

[SwiftSpear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9iJ3pPuL8&hd=1

This was from a few days ago.

To put the findings of this specific video in context. If plant workers were to remain on the nuclear plant for 1 year, they would receive 8 times the lowest 1 year dose linked to cancer, 2 times the dose required to produce moderate radiation sickness, but not even the full dose required to produce severe radiation sickness.

Within the 30 km zone (where people who are not nuclear plant workers still are) the dosage is 95 times less than that. The dose someone spending all their time outside in that area would receive is about 3 times the normal yearly background radiation dose (although this is still well over legal limits), and it's still less than 10% of the yearly dose directly linked to cancer. At those dosages, simply being indoors in a reasonably airtight house drastically reduces radiation exposure.

http://xkcd.com/radiation

[smoth]

Cite your source.

[Coresair]

Just more fuel for the anti-nuclear power sentiment......I hope your happy, japan....

[Johannes]

+ "discuss" is a poor way to start a thread.

Yep, he should also include an edgy question. For example - "Fukushima vs Tshernobyl, which is better and why?"

[knorke]

+ "discuss" is a poor way to start a thread.

Yep, he should also include an edgy question. For example - "Fukushima vs Tshernobyl, which is better and why?"

usfags. it needs to include usfags.

[Gota]

Inside sources say this will cause a new ice age.

[Forboding Angel]

Seriously people, "Amerifags", usfags sounds like you're calling all of us fags.

[SwiftSpear]

he identifies with fags, what's wrong with that?

[Wombat]

usfags sounds like you're calling all of us fags.

thats true !

@topic - first time i hear that, all i know its lvl 6.

[SwiftSpear]

Found this: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_05.html

So the stuff about the alert level being raised is accurate, but the stuff about them making a new level for the scale to go to was added after the fact by fear mongerers. There is little evidence to show the event is worse than Chernobyl. However, I think most would agree it is the worst event since then. Loss of life is also unlikely to be anywhere near Chernobyl as evacuations were performed much more rapidly and efficiently, and the disaster was not sudden and horrific, but a gradual decline into the worst state.

[Hoi]

Just more fuel for the anti-nuclear power sentiment......I hope your happy, japan....

I'm not anti-nuclear, but we're using the wrong type of nuclear power.

Sorry for not having a source / short OP but I heared it from someone and just used the first link I found on google. Also was in a rush.

There is evidence to show that it is at least as worse as chernobyl. We just don't know what the effects on the population are yet, for example if new children will have 3 arms and 6 eyes.

[Cheesecan]

Jap govt have not been sufficiently forthcoming with info - they kept denying the severity of the catastrophe day after day. Even when observers were firm in their assesment that things were extremely bad. The jap measures were weak and delayed. Compare them to the soviets who sent in 800,000 liquidators to build a sarcophagus around the reactor - almost immediately. That's how you own up to your mistakes. Japs tried to dump water from helicopters instead. Even from the live broadcast you could see that maybe only 10% of the water even fell inside the reactor structure. What a bunch of fucking morons. Firemen shooting water in with water cannons after 1 week - they should have done all that immediately on day 1. They are just too fucking slow and stupid in dealing with things. Also now the whole fucking ocean is contaminated with radioactive particles. Maybe some say it's a literal drop in the ocean but you just wait in 10 years when we know more about how the oceans really work people will be able to point to and prove ecosystem crises caused by this nuclear incident.

What astonishes the most is the fact that they have not one but multiple leaking reactors and still insisted on doing the wide-eyed smiling chink to international media. Who the hell in their right mind builds a nuclear power plant in such a location, simply doing so is gravely irresponsible so that says all you need to know about the yakuza government.

Now this type of radiation will make it to the US pacific coastline - but US marines were only allowed in to help after 2 weeks. Japs thought they were too fucking awesome to accept help from the US. Instead they tried to seal the reactor in frekkin plastic.

Japs' Grade: F-
Comment: Will have further ripple effect on the world. EU projects will have to be scrapped when the public takes anti-nuclear protests to the street. Good job fucking it up for the rest of us.

[HeavyLancer]

The difference Cheesecan is that the Chernobyl disaster started off as a very localised problem - the surrounding area for tens of kilometres wasn't devastated by a tsunami and earthquake. In Chernobyl they were able to bring in the liquidators quickly because they had roads that weren't blocked by huge amounts of debris and remaining floodwaters. And they weren't hit by magnitude 7.0 'aftershocks' (A 7.0 is an aftershock? ).

As for the radiation releases, watch what happens. There will be no ecosystem devastation from the scary radiation - if Chernobyl is anything to go by, if people stay away from it because of radiation fears it will improve compared to even before the earthquake. And it won't reach the US in any meaningful quantities - that's an absurd beat-up from fear-mongers.

And calling the Soviet response to Chernobyl good compared to Japan and Fukushima is pathetic. The Soviets didn't own up to a disaster even occuring until several days afterwards.
Your 'smiling chink' comment is also quite racist and uncalled for at this present time - remember that they've experienced a huge earthquake and tsunami that has done millions (yes, millions) of times more damage than this accident will ever do to the public.

Calm down, read some facts and get some perspective.

[yuritch]

Actually Soviet response to the disaster was quick, but it was kept in secret (even from local population). Military was already moving in only hours after the event, firemen were there even faster. Civilian evacuation started too late, yes, but containment works were already in progress. Maybe they just feared fleeing civilians would clog the roads and slow the passage of heavy vehicles much needed at the site...

Japan was hit much harder and they just don't have the resources of the old USSR. A large army ready for the nuclear war would have helped greatly (just have a look at photos of "vehicle graveyards" near Chernobyl, you'll see lots of specialized armored engineering vehicles there - many of those are IMR-2, built specifically to clear paths through debris after nuclear strikes, which also makes them very suitable for such disasters). Not something a much smaller country like Japan could field, despite all their technological advances

[SwiftSpear]

It's enough that the Fukushima plant hasn't actually had a total meltdown, where Chernobyl did.

Once again, there's a wealth of information out there.

Response isn't wholly relevant when the scale of the disaster was totally different to begin with.

Local and international radiation readings were much lower throughout for Fukushima than Chernobyl, however at this point in time enough has leaked out that the grade and severity of the disaster has crept up to the point where it is now comparable in raw radiation levels released.

There's still a few advantages to the Fukushima situation. Firstly there is much much much less smoke, and what smoke there is doesn't have high radiation readings. The major problem with Chernobyl is that tonnes of radioactive smog was blasted into the atmosphere and much of it rained on the surrounding areas and was detected even as far as hundreds of miles away. This was a result of the severity of the meltdown. Second, the area of evacuation was cleared a fair while before the worst of the radiation escaped, they were able to evacuate in response to the quake potentially causing damage, as opposed to responding to the reactor melting down. The containment response has definitely been slower, less thorough, and less funded, but if containment fails catastrophically, the loss of life would likely still be less because there's virtually no one close to the area to kill.

Current status: the situation is stable. It will be a while before they can defuse it completely, but they have things at a point where they can prevent things from getting any worse.

[Gota]

haha...Whoever gives kudos to the soviets for how they treated their nuclear disasters and nuclear plants in general is either ignorant or a communist/soviet sympathizer.

No proper evacuation, huge radiation dumping into the environment and even in knows human water sources...I mean come on...
There was little accountability in the soviet union for obvious reasons and the same was true for their nuclear experimentation and plants.
It's a "good" thing the Chernobyl incident was strong enough to substantially influence radiation levels outside the USSR or it would have been treated way worse.