Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Various things about Spring that do not fit in any of the other forums listed below, including forum rules.

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Tribulexrenamed
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Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Tribulexrenamed »

I would like you all to know that there will no longer be any private releases of my game. I am not sure how many people my game has leaked out to, but you know exactly who you are. I am requesting that everyone who owns a copy of alpha1011.sd7, alpha1099.sd7, alpha3589.sd7, or alpha666thedeviliscome666.sd7 immediately delete those files, and their derivatives. Anyone who is hosting these files must delete them immediately. This is a MAJOR BREACH of the license, which states:
"... and this package is to be distributed to NO ONE, modified by NO ONE, and used by NO ONE except the specified private testers ... and rehosting of this package ANYWHERE is forbidden. "

I would like to amend this to " NO ONE MAY OWN THIS PACKAGE OR USE IT OR MODIFY IT OR HOST IT OR DO ANYTHING TO IT EVER EXCEPT FOR TRIBULEX." It is apparent to me that this community cannot be trusted to handle shiny new content responsibly, and thus i will have to continue on my own. I am deeply sorry to those of you who have taken the time to give feedback and have played some nice games with me, and who have used this content in the way it was meant to be used. I hope that you will enjoy my game when i make the first public release.


If anyone sees any use of my content or game that is not by me, please if at all possible report it to me, and discourage whoever it is you see from continuing. For you idiots who want to take everything literally, keep in mind that the word "see" is used figuratively.


Lastly, I want to warn game creators for spring. Make sure that the people you distribute private tests to can be trusted.


And this is a picture of my face:
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Nemo
Spring 1944 Developer
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Nemo »

Chill out. 1944 had a forced release a few years ago because a private tester spammed #main with a megaupload style link all night. We dealt with it, got a load of feedback about that particular build, and fixed a ton of bugs as a result. End result? better game, faster dev cycle.

Your potential audience is 1) small and 2) very firmly placed in their habits, so unless you have aspirations to a much broader audience (really only gundam and SWIW can make this claim, PURE and 1944 pretend to..), devving in secret helps you very little. Given the general community, you could probably spam #main for two days straight with your 'secret' build and still maybe get 20-30 downloads tops - secret or no.

Moral of the story? take it easy, you should be flattered that people were interested enough to 'leak' it. Odds are when you actually release you'll get less attention than you have now.

Further moral: rejecting private testers because someone decided to spread it will only slow down your dev process and very likely result in a crappier game - doesn't matter how smart you are, balancing/designing a complex game without multiple perspectives (the more the better) is impossible (I cite Argh's games as perfect examples, here. For the sake of avoiding massive flames, I'll just say Nanoblobs, which EVERYONE can agree was poorly balanced as a design).

If you must be secretive about it (don't flatter yourself, you don't need to be), go for a few 'big names'; people around the community who are well known and don't suck (ie, ask in #peet) who won't be bothered to leak anything.
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zwzsg
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by zwzsg »

What's your mod, already?
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smoth
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by smoth »

I had gundam leaked onto unknown files once.
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Otherside
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

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LEAVE MY MOD ALONE :'(
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SwiftSpear
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by SwiftSpear »

It's still a violation of his licence. If you're the source of this, you'd better do what you can to fix it immediately, because if we catch you you're banned from spring.

Any mods or game projects using trib's content without his permission are now a null version too. It's bannable to distribute and play. If you're responsible for them, remove the content from your projects as soon as possible.
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Otherside
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Otherside »

SwiftSpear wrote:It's still a violation of his licence. If you're the source of this, you'd better do what you can to fix it immediately, because if we catch you you're banned from spring.

Any mods or game projects using trib's content without his permission are now a null version too. It's bannable to distribute and play. If you're responsible for them, remove the content from your projects as soon as possible.
if trib is still using *A based content all this goes out the window right ?
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SwiftSpear
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by SwiftSpear »

Otherside wrote:
SwiftSpear wrote:It's still a violation of his licence. If you're the source of this, you'd better do what you can to fix it immediately, because if we catch you you're banned from spring.

Any mods or game projects using trib's content without his permission are now a null version too. It's bannable to distribute and play. If you're responsible for them, remove the content from your projects as soon as possible.
if trib is still using *A based content all this goes out the window right ?
No. The TA content he's using can be used, whatever, any original meshes, textures, gameplay designs, whatever, are all his right to keep to himself. TA content isn't "open" it doesn't infect projects using it and force them to be open sourced. If you use TA content you take your own risk that the owners of that content aren't going to shut you down in the future, but spring isn't defending their content at the moment because they haven't asked us to, and it will take alot of work to move away from that standard. TA content in a mod is considered fan work for now. The other stuff in the project isn't effected in any way.
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Neddie
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Neddie »

Somebody probably accidentally uploaded it to SD. Happened to Smoth as well.
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Peet
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Peet »

Are we entirely certain this isn't a sarcasm/troll post? It is tribulex after all...
Warlord Zsinj
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Warlord Zsinj »

I really think Springdownloader needs to be a lot more deliberate in what it selects, and is very clear to the user, as it isn't 100% clear at the moment, and people can easily accidentally upload files they didn't intend too.

That, or there should be a springdownloader 'ignore' list, either running on the Springdownloader side, or via a tag somewhere in the mod itself...
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MidKnight
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by MidKnight »

Peet wrote:Are we entirely certain this isn't a sarcasm/troll post? It is tribulex after all...
That
And see the topic message :P
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Hoi
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Hoi »

Springdownloader is annoying:

O HAI, upload everything on startup, hmkay?

Ofc someone press the ok button, and then...
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Jazcash
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Jazcash »

Someone IP ban Emmanuel already.
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Beherith
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Beherith »

The troll got trolled.
"Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results"
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Tribulexrenamed
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Tribulexrenamed »

The point of this post is to let people know that there has been a major violation of the licence, and that I would appreciate people's help in preventing further violations. In all my grand and penultimate power, I do not have billions of eyes positioned at strategic locations on the internets. There is a reason for my "secretive" development, and that reason is to prevent EXACTLY what has happened: People are taking MY non-free/opensource/gpl/whatever content and making mods with it, and even worse, combining it with TA. All I ask is that people report this behaviour to me, and then I will take care of it from there.
BaNa
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by BaNa »

Tribulex wrote:People are taking MY non-free/opensource/gpl/whatever content and making mods with it, and even worse, combining it with TA
to be honest, what did you expect? Most people in this community have a delightful derision toward any form of copyright.
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Jazcash
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Jazcash »

Open-source pwns yu.
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smoth
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by smoth »

Theft is not ok but making a huge scene is getting you trolled. I warned you in main about it.
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Tribulexrenamed
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Re: Completely inappropriate behavior, and the results

Post by Tribulexrenamed »

Im willing to get trolled if just 1 person helps me (so far 3 have helped me, and many thanks to you guys!)
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