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[CarRepairer]

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[Saktoth]

Both! depending on the desired level of feedback and the number of models posted!

[Argh]

I can't believe anybody's whining about this, one way or another, tbh.

I haven't been paying attention, but I assume there's a reason why this thread exists, and it probably has to do with the usual suspects treating newbies in the usual ways.

The WIP thread was never meant to be some mandatory Gulag for artists, at any skill level.

I think that if people are whining about this, they should be kindly asked to quit bothering the newbies until they've been around a while longer. Yelling at some kid showing off My First Model work for not posting in the "correct place" is lame, and generally defeats the purpose- instead of incubating a new artist, we just convince them we're a bunch of elitist jerks, and then they're gone. That may make certain people happy, but I do not believe it is in the interest of the project-as-a-whole to allow such behavior.

[smoth]

you are my hero is that soap box new?

[Argh]

It wouldn't take very long to show what I mean about this, but I'd rather avoid finger-pointing and find a compromise that suits as many people as we can.

Perhaps a sub-forum for the WIP thread, or just sticky it... finally?

[smoth]

I got a blue fish? got any?

argh, you have a frequent habit of doing this, standing up for something you are ill informed on because you think the regulars are picking on something. It looks as though you burst through the door on a white horse dressed like napoleon and cry out for the injustices here in. There is no need I mean I know you look cool and all, fuck I love napoleon but I am just saying that it is a bit much.

Chill dude, no one screamed at the noobs. Most of the things that were said was that the images should be posted in random wip as they are random wips. Don't get me wrong, some of the forum goers acted like howlers. It wasn't the case for all posts man. If you felt they were soo foul use that report button on the lower left. I do.

[Argh]

Fair enough, I haven't had time (nor the inclination) to bother reading a bunch of posts to see why people were agitated about this.

I just figured that this thread wouldn't exist if there wasn't a reason. Since I know that certain people around here tend to be incredibly rude to the nubs, I figured I'd say that I'm not down with that, and seek a compromise before people bail again. We have to quit having that happen, it's really worrying me.

[Pressure Line]

tbh, i dont have a problem per-se with people posting a new thread for themselves, but the Random WIP thread is pure modeling awesomeness distilled into one thread. There is so much information, and so many Spring specific tips that not putting your stuff in there (or reading the thread (and i don't mean skimming it or just looking at the pictures)) when all you want is some generic feed back (ie cut some polies here, broaden the base out a bit, dont hit the smooth button etc etc) is a bit silly. The thread is 174 pages for a reason!

For topics that require non-generic feedback (a major project thread eg S44/SW:IW/Gundam image dumps) or need community consultation/discussion (a TA remake) probably should have their own thread.

It's not a case of people going postal on noobz for posting their own threads, but surely for basic/generic feedback on models use Random WIP, it's whats its for (+1 vote for sticky)

I really don't want to sound elitist, but if i open up your specific thread it better be good, or there better be a decent amount of stuff that isnt just "i extruded some cubes and hit the smooth button a few times" tbh, id rather skim through a page or 2 of Random WIP, than open up 6 threads of "imnewatthis's models" its more work for me, and im lazy. plus, how many wip threads do we really need? id rather see this forum full of model/texture releases, tutorials, links to useful stuff (although id prefer that they get lumped into 1 thread too) concept art (better not be scrawled on a napkin!), other resources... all the USEFUL things that we, as artists can use to create and develop our skills and content for Spring. I dont want to have to go back through three pages of threads to find the link to the 'WW2 Tanklopedia' website.



tl/dr: im not saying "omg everyone has to post all their stuff in Random WIP!" but it would be nice if you posted that random tank you modeled to blow out the cobwebs (or whatever reason you modeled it, unless its for a big project, in which case post it in that thread) there instead of starting a new thread.

[Gota]

It's probably really funny coming form me but I think Moderation is not doing it's job...
Poisonous people and posts should be deleted or edited.
If mods don't do it replace them cause their job is to remove these poisonous posts and make sure poisonous people either stop being poisonous or are banned.
Poisonous people are troll,flamers,perfectionists that will derail and spam a thread cause of some small detail and people who derail threads in general and suck devs dry emotionally thus killing enthusiasm.
In short IMO moderation should be much more aggressive.
Why cant someone make his own WIP thread?
There is no good reason besides the random "oh i don't like it just because".

[SwiftSpear]

I'd personally say random WIPs go in the random WIP thread.

If it's a thread for a specific artists portfolio, then fine, it can have a thread. If it's a thread for a unit that will be taken from square 1 to completion within the duration of the thread like MR.D's OTA remakes, that's cool to. If it's a thread to showcase a series of models, like for a specific mod, or just things that sensically go together, that's fine as well. But "hey, I got bored so I extruded this cube some times and it kind of looks like a plane" should just be going in random WIP, it doesn't need it's own thread. The one exception I see, is it's nice for new modelers to get their own thread rather then being shuffled away for their first few projects, if only to keep other people's advice/suggestions out of the WIP thread, which ideally is supposed to be mostly pictures, not tutorials.

[Pressure Line]

@Swift: Agreed. And that is a bit of a sticky point. although as long as ive been active here (and lurking since around the time KDR started the thread) Random WIP has pretty much always been used as a place for showcasing a one-off wip model and receiving advice on how best to proceed and/or showing people what you are up to without going to the trouble of making your own thread, which can quickly drop off page 1.

@Gota: Did you even read what I wrote? Seriously.

A&M is a fairly 'srs bsns' forum, and to be perfectly honest I like it that way. It's about the serious exchange of ideas and concepts, as well as all the ego-drama (although thats just an artist thing really). I just cannot see how 20 new artist threads a month really helps the forum, the first page only has so many slots, and if every other thread turns into a "hey, I got bored so I extruded this cube some times and it kind of looks like a plane"* thread it becomes that much harder to sort the wheat from the chaff.

If the thread is something like "hey guys, I quickly sketched up this drawing, and have this preliminary model. What do you think of the concept in general? Any ideas on how I could improve it or represent the technologies to the player better?" I have absolutely no problem with it being its own thread, since it is a 'concept development' thread, not a "lulz look @ me" thread.

*thanks Swift!

[lurker]

stuff

But if someone violates that, isn't it better to merge the thread rather than suddenly locking it?
I saw an unspecified model recently that I would quite like to comment on, but someone locked the thread.

[smoth]

LOL I randomly post wip shots from gundam in random wip. I don't know it is just 174 pages of eyecrack. the more that is in there the more awesome it is for nubs to look at.

[CarRepairer]

I agree with Argh. People should have the choice and not feel pressured to go one way or the other. I don't even frequent this forum much except to comment here and there on CA related stuff. But I created this poll because I was suddenly inspired by the recent flaming in some of the new threads. I felt embarrassed to read it. Honestly the emotion I sensed was "you're just not important enough around here to have your own thread." It was very unpleasant.

P.S. 50 threads is bad but one 200-page thread is neat and tidy? I don't think so.

[smoth]

people posting random crap for 50 threads is.

[CarRepairer]

When Midknight says in the channel that he's been working on some stuff, I can go to his thread now. He used to have multiple threads which was also bad, but they got merged. Is one thread per author so bad? There aren't hundreds of active modelers around here. And when active, their threads will be on the first or second page. And I don't have to search through the 175 and counting WIP thread to see one person's work who I happen to be chatting with about his models.

I'm not saying it's bad, but when I want to see one person's work I don't want to go through the search page every time I come here. If some people want to use the WIP thread I don't have a problem with it.

[smoth]

It isn't hard to split off posts, merge threads etc but people posting a thread for every model they make that is, for lack of a more delicate word slapped together is kinda bad. Yeah I see midknights stuff as having it's own thread fine. It give him an area for all his work and truely the one off threads will just get dropped over time if the authors do not continue to keep posting. The issue with all the threads to me is that they could just be in the random wip thread. Scanning through that thing is a blast, if I were a new modeler on this site, I would read the whole thing because it gives a good idea of the modeling that goes on here, what is good, bad and over polied. It is pretty much a consolidated mass of all the modeling crap in this forum..... like the river of slime in ghost busters 2... feed the random wip thread so it feeds you back.

[Caradhras]

I want an extra subforum for each modeler

[smoth]

spring is now deviant art.


anyone want to see some generic anime-ish fantasy art?

[Hoi]

-Random wip for id you just made something, and you don't think you're going to actively make more in the near future.

-Your own thread if you're sure you're going to make multiple things in the near future.

Isn't that a good idea?