Masse's learning center !

[Masse]

ok here i start to post drawingns to keep myself inspired ! ok enought with the words lets get my ugly pieces of "art" up

::comments are welcome::

[Masse]

here's a about year old piece. it was first made with SketchUp then i rendered it in Blender and drawn little details on it with Gimp but unfortunetly i lost the model and more ready piece because my computer decided to blow up back then :'(

[Masse]

here i just wanted to learn some orc face's... oh and you dont want to see the first 3 :D:D

[Masse]

just shading and human body parts :) for some reason like drawing male bodys way more than lady's !

[Masse]

and here's why i suck ! i can't make good looking human face without model

[Masse]

here's some quick logos made to my spring mod that i never work on idea was that there were 3 factions of human's that all been separated for million of years and blah blah... you dont want to hear that :D


this is logo of 3 persons on it black, white and yellow. they are human alliance


and these guys love dieing in combat and thats the way they get their honour... also they believe there's better place when you die in honour


then the guys want to live forever. the logo is supposed tobe 8 sideways. these guys have developed psychic powers and they can live thousands of years and they usually are inside of "glass" ball that's full of green liquid (look at the robot called Cell in second post)

[Warlord Zsinj]

Very nice, you've got a good sense of tonality.

I think if you wanted to make a study of something, it would be foreshortening, you seem to be struggling with it in a number of areas, especially faces. Looking at your ogre and male face, the area of the head that is turning away from the 'camera' begins to be foreshortened due to perspective. You've started doing it, but aren't quite there yet, and if there's anything that's throwing it off, that's what it is.

http://www.nickataylor.com/Articles/For ... lified.pdf

Have you done any life drawing? I strongly recommend it.

[Masse]

Very nice, you've got a good sense of tonality.

I think if you wanted to make a study of something, it would be foreshortening, you seem to be struggling with it in a number of areas, especially faces. Looking at your ogre and male face, the area of the head that is turning away from the 'camera' begins to be foreshortened due to perspective. You've started doing it, but aren't quite there yet, and if there's anything that's throwing it off, that's what it is.

http://www.nickataylor.com/Articles/For ... lified.pdf

Have you done any life drawing? I strongly recommend it.

thanks for advices... i havent drawn any live models but thats only cause i cant draw with pen on paper :D i have some very weird problem that even the first line i do on paper im not happy with it so drawing on paper is struggling :)

just wating when tablet laptops get cheaper and better so i never need to draw on paper again

[Warlord Zsinj]

That's the problem with most people when drawing on paper. That's why most life drawing starts with a big chunk of charcoal. Your first line is going to look like a big chunk of shit, and your fiftieth line is going to look like a big chunk of shit. You've just got to loosen up and not feel the need to have ctrl+z. They encourage you to not make little pinprick strokes with a pencil but work from your shoulder and elbow, not your wrist. Once things start flowing then you can move onto smaller details. If you draw a line badly - draw it again. Eventually you'll have the confidence to get it right the first time, but first you've got to have the confidence to not care if you can't get it wrong on the tenth time.

That being said, I haven't done life drawing for 2+ years, and haven't done any real drawing for about 8 months, so I doubt I could do much better right now.

[Masse]

That's the problem with most people when drawing on paper. That's why most life drawing starts with a big chunk of charcoal. Your first line is going to look like a big chunk of shit, and your fiftieth line is going to look like a big chunk of shit. You've just got to loosen up and not feel the need to have ctrl+z. They encourage you to not make little pinprick strokes with a pencil but work from your shoulder and elbow, not your wrist. Once things start flowing then you can move onto smaller details. If you draw a line badly - draw it again. Eventually you'll have the confidence to get it right the first time, but first you've got to have the confidence to not care if you can't get it wrong on the tenth time.

That being said, I haven't done life drawing for 2+ years, and haven't done any real drawing for about 8 months, so I doubt I could do much better right now.

thanks ! i will try paper drawing more often :)

[Warlord Zsinj]

Oh, and when i say if you cock up a line and need to draw it again, don't erase it, just keep going. Once your drawing starts to look a bit shitty, you get less uptight about it all and loosen up. Once you loosen up you'll end up with a better drawing then you would have then if you'd kept rubbing out that first line till you got it right.

When I was taking art classes, the teacher wouldn't let us use an eraser.

[Masse]

latest creation... i tried to use every technique i've learned past few weeks of drawing. oh and its redrawn version of John Falk's spawn.


i'ts allmost ready but im pretty tired of seeing it allready so i will try to add finishing to it later :)

[Masse]

new drawing coming ! hairs are still quick mockup and so is the room.

(clicky the image you don't see shit from this tiny thing)

[Elkvis]

For some reason like drawing male bodys way more than lady's !

I feel an internet stalk coming on.

But... seriously though. You have a nice eye for detail and a good sense of aesthetic.

[Gota]

and here's why i suck ! i can't make good looking human face without model

The way this face looks implies you need to read some basic tutorials about how to apply perspective correctly.

[Masse]

For some reason like drawing male bodys way more than lady's !

I feel an internet stalk coming on.

But... seriously though. You have a nice eye for detail and a good sense of aesthetic.

thanks ^^

The way this face looks implies you need to read some basic tutorials about how to apply perspective correctly.

tomorrow i shall take a look at the face's... i think i know exactly now whats wrong :)

[smoth]

and here's why i suck ! i can't make good looking human face without model

The way this face looks implies you need to read some basic tutorials about how to apply perspective correctly.

pffffffffffffttt KEKEKE AH HAAAAAA HAA HAA


you need a bit of practice to be sure masse but it isn't bad, just some things need better alignment. These are not bad.

yan, this is perspective:

masse just has some issues with faces, that's all.

[Hoi]

and here's why i suck ! i can't make good looking human face without model

Look at a picture of a human head, you'll see that they have a much smaller forhead than on that one.

But besides that, good job.

[KaiserJ]

proportionally, that head looks fine to me...

sure, the forehead looks large, but that's because the picture in question is of someone with a somewhat receding hairline;



here you can see, the eyes are exactly halfway up the skull, which is where they should be.... i think if the forehead was smaller, he would look like a monkey

as far as the whole thread goes, i like your style of art... a lot cleaner than mine, i tend to rush and scribble a lot. the anatomy work looks good to me, the only thing i didn't really like out of all of it was the look of the foot; the hands and limbs look great. something that might help; i bought a poseable wooden dummy (a tiny one, about 8 inches tall) to help me with proportions, and it worked wonders, as long as i began my drawings with a rough outline of the proportions and locations of the bones.

sample of some of my crap, ofc the perspective and anatomy isnt very well rendered, but the exaggeration of certain areas lends a bit of surrealism and focus to the pose and expression of the subject. (this was the first one i ever made assisted by the dummy, took only a little while)



as you can see, im crap at realism, but im decent at portraying motion and emotion in my work (or at least i'd like to think so) and it's this same reason that i feel your orc faces are a success.

[Warlord Zsinj]

Smoth, with due respect, gota is correct.

What I mentioned earlier in this thread was that masse has a misunderstanding of foreshortening, which is a result of perspective. The face looks disproportioned because foreshortening has not been applied to the left side (well, right if you're the dude) of the face as it curves away from the viewer and 'recedes', just as straight lines will recede into a vanishing point in a perspective illustration.

The issue is not at all with the forehead, but with the features on the receding side of the face, especially the line of cheekbones and the eye.