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LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 03 Jul 2005, 17:34

can you guys add a command to the spring engine for self-destrcting besides ctrl-d

like say ctrl-shift-d

reason.. MAKE IT INSTANTLY DESTRUCT!

its a pain to pop near dead units next to buildings, waiting for 5 seconds for them to pop...

they should have an option to POP when they want to... unless you guys see this as bad, then who knows...

shnorb · Post by **shnorb** » 03 Jul 2005, 19:12

well not that crucial to gameplay, but there have been a few times when that would have been useful...

Post by SJ » 03 Jul 2005, 19:29

The reason there is a delay on the self destruct is that it should be hard to time the destruction.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 03 Jul 2005, 19:47

There should also be.... the GLORY BUTTON!! I imagine it would be a small little button that's on the edge of the mini map, then you click it and it unfurls and show's a massive red button, surrounded with warning lights and protected by one of those "Break glass to use" things. Then when you click it, your entire base and all your unit's explode simultaneously! MUHAhAHAHAAHAHHAHA!

mongus · Post by **mongus** » 03 Jul 2005, 19:50

this could be usefull.
but only if the difference between normal explotion and seldDestruct, (in power of the explotion) where important.

im know there is a difference (back in TA), but i dont know if its worth the key binding.

once a guy sd a lab i was attacking with 3 instigators, he had not much there in its base and i was proly going to make a mess.
when he sd the lab, killed the 3 tanks, saving its base.

thus having better controll over the explotion timing may be helpfull at times.

e: well, the countdown effectively makes it harder to do it rigth...
should i program an ia to helpme time/calculate this...

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 03 Jul 2005, 20:06

the explosions are roughly 4x as powerful when intended....

taking a scout and detonating it in an enemy army... tee hee hee is an effective measure of softening them...

but its nay impossible to do with a 5 second detonation timer...

Storm · Post by **Storm** » 03 Jul 2005, 20:35

That's the point, Stan. Only the skilled can do this effectively.

Triaxx2 · Post by **Triaxx2** » 03 Jul 2005, 20:44

That means start the scout moving, and start the sequence on it's way in. It should go off right on time. It just takes a bit of practice.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 03 Jul 2005, 21:04

but then you'd need another scout to find the enemy also i'd like to see a replay of a 'skilled' (i.e. FUCKING AWESOME) player pulling this off

Storm · Post by **Storm** » 03 Jul 2005, 23:32

There are plentiful... all in the Old TA format.

FLOZi · Post by **FLOZi** » 04 Jul 2005, 00:49

THIS is a mod change, not an engine change.

(unlike mSpring, which I still say is engine (as it is)

)

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 04 Jul 2005, 03:18

I say that self destruct should be deactivated when a unit is being captured.

smokingwreckage · Post by **smokingwreckage** » 04 Jul 2005, 06:20

You gotta either estimate the distance, hit "destruct" and charge, or hide behind something important in his (your opponent's) base while it counts down.

Does anyone leeter than me, whos actually pulled this stunt off more than once-or-twice, have any tips?

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 04 Jul 2005, 10:21

Its a common thing to send peepers over and land them, then self destruct them. You can kill things like radars with them, as well as closing up solar plants, and depriving your enemy of precious energy for a short period.

I will usually use the self destruct the most while I'm raiding. Often the best way to respond from a raid is simply to reclaim the wreckage of the raiders, and then use that to make up what you lost (often more). So if I am raiding, and it is clear that its a suicide mission, instead of waiting for them to die, I'll self destruct them after they hit their mexxes. Actually, in OTA I'll move the unit onto the metal patch, because units don't leave wreckages on them, but I'm sure that doesn't work in Spring, so self-d is the next best thing.

Triaxx2 · Post by **Triaxx2** » 04 Jul 2005, 12:23

I learned to do it with flying bombs, so that I can detonate it over the MT's, before they can blow up my Atlas. It's a very delicate thing, and takes lots of practice.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 04 Jul 2005, 20:26

Triaxx2 wrote:I learned to do it with flying bombs, so that I can detonate it over the MT's, before they can blow up my Atlas. It's a very delicate thing, and takes lots of practice.

that is fun shit to do

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 04 Jul 2005, 22:22

When ever i attack, and im going to lose i explode my own units. WHY? Same reson as Warlord, but also cause i wont allow anyone but me to whipe out my attack force!

Also it looks cool

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 06 Jul 2005, 23:30

Instant auto destruction should not be possible, as was intended from the very beginning.

Like that, it would give too much value to micromanagment, where you could have an anemy build surrounded and self-destruct units as soon as they reached, for example, 50 HP. It could also give unfair advantages to people using modified/cheated versions of a client that would give those units automatically the self-destruct order.

Like it is now, you may order to self-destruct a unit just to find out that it would've last longer if only you've not done it or to find out that you gave the order to late and the unit dies too before it can explode This requires strategical/tactical control of the situation.

Also, we can think of the timer as the time needed for the unit to overload it's reactor into the point where it explodes

And the expression

Zoombie wrote:... the GLORY BUTTON!! ...

is extremely funny and inspiring.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 07 Jul 2005, 01:53

think about it for a couple of seconds would ya? Does it take time to booby-trap a building in real life? I would be ok with this mod change IFF (If and only if) the instant self destruct had no explosion and removed the unit from the map or left very little wreckage (like an internal explosion that doesnt really breach the shell of the unit).

i.e. MODERN DAY BUILDING DEMOLISHES.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 07 Jul 2005, 02:11

Ted wrote:think about it for a couple of seconds would ya? Does it take time to booby-trap a building in real life? I would be ok with this mod change IFF (If and only if) the instant self destruct had no explosion and removed the unit from the map or left very little wreckage (like an internal explosion that doesnt really breach the shell of the unit).

i.e. MODERN DAY BUILDING DEMOLISHES.

modern day demolition takes lots of preperation..

short circuiting the power supply on a gigantic machine of war... lol
takes 2 seconds... POP!

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