WALL-E Rocks.
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WALL-E Rocks.
'nuff said. Watch it. Bring significant others, parents, children, everybody will love it. Most interesting movie Pixar's ever made.
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THe only person I know who saw it says it is very preachy.
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Preachy about global warming / the end of the world..
cant wait for them to fly all the celebs around the world for premiers
cant wait for them to fly all the celebs around the world for premiers
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heh........ yeah
i bet you think global warming doesn't exist fucker
i bet you think global warming doesn't exist fucker
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what, you want the world to end so you can be right?
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I think that before people moan about it being "preachy", they should go see it themselves.
I also suspect that those who get upset about the message are upset because they saw themselves... and were appalled. Or were too dumb to get the deeper messages, or to understand the cultural references that underpin it. This movie references so much, both obviously (movie / soundtrack references that tell a deeper story) and non-obviously (this movie has more Deep Geek in-jokes than you can shake a stick at- WALL-E's bootup noise is the old bootup sound from my first computer- a Macintosh Powerbook 160... and at least half the greeble sounds are from video games).
When you've seen the movie, you'll understand why- it's a critique of modern cultural trends, disguised as a movie for small children, and using Midwesterners as the target... I think in large part because we could take it. Even here, I suspect it will cause quite a lot of self-examination, however. Trust me, when you've watched the movie... watch the crowd after the show. I haven't seen a reaction like this since Saving Private Ryan.
Let me put it another way- if they'd used Muslims as the human characters, Pixar's crew would be set on fire after being shot, boiled in oil and drawn and quartered- it's a serious jab of a movie, beneath the shiny skin.
The environmental theme is actually the lesser story. It's just backdrop and provides motivation. Small children will get that far, they get that stuff in school so much it's coming out of their ears these days... grownups will see through it.
The movie is really about the human conditions that caused it, much like Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind is not really about the adventures of Nausicaa.
Meh, explaining the deeper story would completely ruin it, so I'm not going to. Probably said too much already.
Moreover, as a movie, as a work of art, it's simply incredible. It pushed the boundaries more than Cars technically, and the attention to the small detail and overall polish is the finest I've ever seen.
Missing it because you're afraid of having to see something whose ideas you're not fond of, or your friends are too stupid to get it... is a waste, imo.
I think it would be sad, if this movie did poorly due to audiences being afraid of a challenge- this is the equivalent to Bambi for the 21st century (yes, kiddies, Bambi was a fairly serious movie in its day), and is probably the riskiest film Pixar's ever made, but it's completely worth it.
I think that before people moan about it being "preachy", they should go see it themselves.
I also suspect that those who get upset about the message are upset because they saw themselves... and were appalled. Or were too dumb to get the deeper messages, or to understand the cultural references that underpin it. This movie references so much, both obviously (movie / soundtrack references that tell a deeper story) and non-obviously (this movie has more Deep Geek in-jokes than you can shake a stick at- WALL-E's bootup noise is the old bootup sound from my first computer- a Macintosh Powerbook 160... and at least half the greeble sounds are from video games).
When you've seen the movie, you'll understand why- it's a critique of modern cultural trends, disguised as a movie for small children, and using Midwesterners as the target... I think in large part because we could take it. Even here, I suspect it will cause quite a lot of self-examination, however. Trust me, when you've watched the movie... watch the crowd after the show. I haven't seen a reaction like this since Saving Private Ryan.
Let me put it another way- if they'd used Muslims as the human characters, Pixar's crew would be set on fire after being shot, boiled in oil and drawn and quartered- it's a serious jab of a movie, beneath the shiny skin.
The environmental theme is actually the lesser story. It's just backdrop and provides motivation. Small children will get that far, they get that stuff in school so much it's coming out of their ears these days... grownups will see through it.
The movie is really about the human conditions that caused it, much like Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind is not really about the adventures of Nausicaa.
Meh, explaining the deeper story would completely ruin it, so I'm not going to. Probably said too much already.
Moreover, as a movie, as a work of art, it's simply incredible. It pushed the boundaries more than Cars technically, and the attention to the small detail and overall polish is the finest I've ever seen.
Missing it because you're afraid of having to see something whose ideas you're not fond of, or your friends are too stupid to get it... is a waste, imo.
I think it would be sad, if this movie did poorly due to audiences being afraid of a challenge- this is the equivalent to Bambi for the 21st century (yes, kiddies, Bambi was a fairly serious movie in its day), and is probably the riskiest film Pixar's ever made, but it's completely worth it.
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no the idea of the world ending terrifies me -> so i want more people to accept the dangers of certain things so humans don't die horriblyForboding Angel wrote:what, you want the world to end so you can be right?
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That requires time and money, and if it is indeed preaching global warming, then it doesn't deserve my time or money.Argh wrote:I think that before people moan about it being "preachy", they should go see it themselves.
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It. is. not. a. movie. about. global. warming.
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Something isn't worth your time if it says something you don't like? typical conservative bullshit.Decimator wrote:That requires time and money, and if it is indeed preaching global warming, then it doesn't deserve my time or money.Argh wrote:I think that before people moan about it being "preachy", they should go see it themselves.
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I apologize for disliking things that preach the world's newest religion.tombom wrote:Something isn't worth your time if it says something you don't like? typical conservative bullshit.Decimator wrote:That requires time and money, and if it is indeed preaching global warming, then it doesn't deserve my time or money.Argh wrote:I think that before people moan about it being "preachy", they should go see it themselves.
However, after reading the plot of the movie, it doesn't appear to involve global warming at all, which means my response was mostly unfounded. I likely still won't go see it, but that's because I watch few movies and am very picky.
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I could have seen GLOBAL WARMING = RELIGION LOL coming a mile off and I even included it in my original post before editing it out, hoping for the best. Of course, I'm sure you have a load of brilliant reasons for calling it a religion and I'd love to hear them.Decimator wrote:I apologize for disliking things that preach the world's newest religion.
However, after reading the plot of the movie, it doesn't appear to involve global warming at all, which means my response was mostly unfounded. I likely still won't go see it, but that's because I watch few movies and am very picky.
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Na, let's not derail this thread any further.
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lol ok!!!!Decimator wrote:Na, let's not derail this thread any further.
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Is this the one with animals?
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The only animals in the movie are homo sapiens 
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What exactly makes you think that the movie is not preachy? So far, Argh, your main reason, so far, as to why it isn't preachy is that a lot of the audience is at fault which is a somewhat weak reason because it's not very convincing to someone who has never seen the movie.
I've seen a lot of nature shows and they really are preachy. What makes a movie not sound so preachy is having an interesting plot while doing a good job of catching and keeping the attention of the intended audience while not doing stuff like literally saying over and over in a boring way, "Save the rain forest, whales, etc., but instead presenting more facts while being entertaining and not using methods such as repetition and jump on the bandwagon to sell you on there idea.
I've seen a lot of nature shows and they really are preachy. What makes a movie not sound so preachy is having an interesting plot while doing a good job of catching and keeping the attention of the intended audience while not doing stuff like literally saying over and over in a boring way, "Save the rain forest, whales, etc., but instead presenting more facts while being entertaining and not using methods such as repetition and jump on the bandwagon to sell you on there idea.
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Dis is so stupid...why are you arguing if the movie is preachy or not if u havent seen it? Oo is that moronic or what...Bozoes.
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I'll say it, yes...Wall-E was preachy. But it wasn't "preachy" preachy. Well, it was, but it wasn't.
Gah, I'm fucking this up.
It was beautifully done. It was a genius concept and incredibly well executed. And the movie never implicitly says Global Warming. Heck, the symptoms shown in the movie are less of a "global warming" and more of a "trash overflow"
You know, like in the Episode of Futurama where the giant ball of garbage is flying towards New New York. Its like that.
Either way, it was awesome and you should all see it.
Gah, I'm fucking this up.
It was beautifully done. It was a genius concept and incredibly well executed. And the movie never implicitly says Global Warming. Heck, the symptoms shown in the movie are less of a "global warming" and more of a "trash overflow"
You know, like in the Episode of Futurama where the giant ball of garbage is flying towards New New York. Its like that.
Either way, it was awesome and you should all see it.
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Thanks Zoombie, that's dead on 
I think it's one of those very rare movies where you can get a lot of different things out of it, depending on who you are.
Small children will enjoy the non-verbal communication and the sight gags.
Slightly older kids will get the ideas about junk, about work, about having adventures and helping people.
Tweens and teens will get the love story.
Smart adults will see the bazillion movie, video game, and musical references, see the Chaplin tributes, the references to the intersection of Japanese and European cartoon styles... and realize they're watching a very pointed critique of modern humanity. Meh, I suspect I missed at least half the references- it blips through everything from The Wump World to 2001 to Planet of the Apes, and the references are so fast, so subtle, and so many that it's pretty much a story of its own, riding somewhere above the more literal stuff.
And anybody who's not brain dead will appreciate the sheer genius of the animation.
Meh, how do I explain that part in words?
There's a bit early on, where WALL-E (a cute little robot) has a worn-out set of treads. The animators went to great lengths to not only show the treads were worn, but to animate the different rolling, vibrating feel of his movements. That must have been a lot of work, for such a minor detail- it's not just one quick shot, it's a distance shot, and he's interacting with terrain. And they could have cheated if they wanted and nobody would have noticed.
It's the kind of movie where you can tell that everybody was kicking ass, and put stuff like that in because they were kicking ass and they knew it was going to be awesome, which it is.
I think it's one of those very rare movies where you can get a lot of different things out of it, depending on who you are.
Small children will enjoy the non-verbal communication and the sight gags.
Slightly older kids will get the ideas about junk, about work, about having adventures and helping people.
Tweens and teens will get the love story.
Smart adults will see the bazillion movie, video game, and musical references, see the Chaplin tributes, the references to the intersection of Japanese and European cartoon styles... and realize they're watching a very pointed critique of modern humanity. Meh, I suspect I missed at least half the references- it blips through everything from The Wump World to 2001 to Planet of the Apes, and the references are so fast, so subtle, and so many that it's pretty much a story of its own, riding somewhere above the more literal stuff.
And anybody who's not brain dead will appreciate the sheer genius of the animation.
Meh, how do I explain that part in words?
There's a bit early on, where WALL-E (a cute little robot) has a worn-out set of treads. The animators went to great lengths to not only show the treads were worn, but to animate the different rolling, vibrating feel of his movements. That must have been a lot of work, for such a minor detail- it's not just one quick shot, it's a distance shot, and he's interacting with terrain. And they could have cheated if they wanted and nobody would have noticed.
It's the kind of movie where you can tell that everybody was kicking ass, and put stuff like that in because they were kicking ass and they knew it was going to be awesome, which it is.