getdeb - a good place to put spring

[clericvash]

Hey everyone, anyone thought about putting spring debs up on http://www.getdeb.net/ ?

[YokoZar]

It's a good idea actually

[clericvash]

I was looking at it the other day, it's a dam good website and a great place for us to start spreading it!

[RichiH]

If your packages follow the current packaging rules, you can try to get your packages sponsored. Thus, they would enter Debian & *buntu directly. In case you need help with starting this process, poke me. I am not a DD nor a UD, but I know who to get in touch with.

[koshi]

Great site indeed. Would have saved a lot of compile time if i discovered it sooner.

If your packages follow the current packaging rules, you can try to get your packages sponsored. Thus, they would enter Debian & *buntu directly.

I think that has already been discussed/approached: http://spring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=11540

[RichiH]

Thanks, I will reply there, as well. It is always possible to put packages into the development 'branches' of Debian and *buntu, same as some software in the repos, especially in Debian unstable and testing, is simply marked as unfinished software. People who install those are aware that things might or might not break for them.

[clericvash]

Well it has been talked about over and over but to be honest i don't think anyone has truly approached them with debs.

We need to get someone in-the-know to submit debians to getdebs, ubuntu and Debian.

[RichiH]

For Debian, it is best to susbscribe to

debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org

and write to them. For *buntu, there is no list, but you can join #ubuntu on [url]irc://irc.freenode.net[/url] and poke around.

[Fri13]

That page is VERY stupid idea.

GNU/Linux is *NOT* Windows. You dont install applications from WEBPAGE!
You install them trought package manager what use repositories and you send your maded packages to unofficial repositorys what you can find via debian/ubuntu pages. You only need to make account and you can then upload them there.

DO NOT MAKE GNU/LINUX AS WINDOWS!

I repeat, that page is VERY STUPID IDEA!

That page brakes almost EVERYTHING what is good in *nix systems and reason for it is that STUPID people want "help" new users and same time they just do BAD THINGS to WHOLE COMMUNITY.

Please, dont support that kind sites what tries to do windows world. If you like so much windows, STAY ON WINDOWS BUT DONT BRING THAT !%#(# TO *NIX SIDE!

[LordMatt]

Oo I think spring should be put in as many place and made available in as many ways as possible.

[BrainDamage]

Oo I think spring should be put in as many place and made available in as many ways as possible.

+ e^ (-i*PI)

[Michilus_nimbus]

That page is VERY stupid idea.

What a silly post.
Of course we want Spring in repositories, and it is iirc, but what's wrong with distributing Spring another way? It won't hurt you, and it would be good for the people who DO like installing their software from a webpage.

+ e^ (-i*PI)

Euler was an asshat.

[SinbadEV]

That page is VERY stupid idea.

I understand your point but I counter with a simple statement.

Your Mom.

And by that, of course, I mean try to explain to your mother how to navigate dependency hell and download that puzzle game she wants using a package manager and compile it for her computers copy of linux... when you have succeeded in doing that please post a detailed tutorial for doing so so that the process can be repeated by every other linux geek in the world.

[YokoZar]

So, I am on the verge of becoming an Ubuntu MOTU myself, and moving Spring into Ubuntu proper. My (second) application has already been submitted, and it looks good this time.

We already have the APT repository (which is Gutsy only at this point), but it's source compatible with etch.

So, anyway, I'll try and put Spring into Ubuntu's repositories for Hardy. We'll still likely want to maintain our own fork though, in case we update Spring before the change can be backported (similarly, we need a place to host nonfree OTA content other than the Ubuntu repo)

[LordMatt]

What is an MOTU?

[Relative]

What is an MOTU?

Demi-gods in ubuntu land.

MOTU = Masters of the Universe

They manage the universe and multi-universe packages for ubuntu, so they are quite important. Just less than 100 hundred of them. I would imagine they have quite a lot of input regarding what packages go into the main repositories.

[YokoZar]

What is an MOTU?

Demi-gods in ubuntu land.

MOTU = Masters of the Universe

They manage the universe and multi-universe packages for ubuntu, so they are quite important. Just less than 100 hundred of them. I would imagine they have quite a lot of input regarding what packages go into the main repositories.

Actually, they have none in that regard - MOTU are the people in charge of everything not in main. "Core devs" are the people responsible for main (ie, everything supported by Canonical). Universe is "community supported," ie MOTU supported.

That said, what gets into universe or multiverse is pretty much a manner of it being sufficiently free and packaged or sponsored by a MOTU.

[Relative]

Ah, I thought universe was the main and multi-universe was the community driven one. My bad.

[Fri13]

That page is VERY stupid idea.

And by that, of course, I mean try to explain to your mother how to navigate dependency hell and download that puzzle game she wants using a package manager and compile it for her computers copy of linux... when you have succeeded in doing that please post a detailed tutorial for doing so so that the process can be repeated by every other linux geek in the world.

I dont need to explain anything to my mother (67 years old) when he use Mandriva's RPMDrake. It is same kind as Ubuntu has synaptic and apt-get etc etc.

Only thing what she needs is info what is game/application NAME. Then she gets it installed just by self. She has never used computer before this year.
She is total n00b with computers, she dont know what big difference is with GNU/Linux and Microsoft Windows than Microsoft is biggest software company on world and GNU/Linux is free OS and there is many different distros from it.
She just can send/receive emails and browse few webpages and that's it.

If she can install thunderbird with mandriva control center just by that i told for him in phone to start rpmdrake, type there "thunderbird" and install it, it is much easier operation than told him to go certain webpage, download something from there, find that from her home directory and double click it.

How i know this? I have few times helped him in phone to install VNC, SSH and few other things. Biggest problem was to get know IP address from that PC and it was by going to http://www.whatismyip.com site.

Even bigger problem was to get skype installed to that mandriva machine. Skype isn't by default on mandriva and it is needed to install by getting mandriva rpm from skype site and it was BIGGER task to do than installing any of those other apps via urpmi. So to have easy install to your game, get it to different distros repositories, by building it byself and offering it, or offering easy info for distro repository maintainers to get it build for that distro by themself and you get it much more easier to installed by that way than offering somekind webpage where user download deb and starts solving depencies by self and braking security by that way to teaching users to use webpage install and not only secure and easy, urpmi/apt-get typed install via distro's repository.

One my friends friend is totally lost in webpages, it takes for him even 10-20 minutes to download game patch from any game site. (and not talking about mods or installing patch). But still when he was first time installing spring to linux, it was much easier to install it via apt-get than downloading package from spring site for windows and install it from there. Even it was first time he used GNU/Linux.

So, if you want to get users to KNOW and FIND your game, make good site, where is nice screenshots, videos and INFO about it and make it easy to find. not just mumble jumble of code and SVN and somekind PHPBB forum where one topic have so many pages that conversation is something other than what topic says. Compile your game for different distros and dont make it jujst easy way, like it is for Ubuntu or OpenSUSE only, make universal DEB, RPM and tar.gz packages and then share them to different distro's repository maintainers and you get it there if you ask nicely.

Then you only need to focus to site for advertising the game, update your game and share it. Later is just easy because there is so many others who is working with it.
Mandriva maintainer dropped spring away just because it was so hard to build spring because spring devels wasn't supporting neutral platform. There is so many things what this forum would need to get other distro maintainers to support this game. It isn't helping just allowing SVN or other if game develers use tools or librarys what is "hard-coded" to one distro. Like all those libraries and other tools what is needed to ubuntu to compile spring, dont exist on other distros by that name. Still all those documents to install spring, is under "Linux install" topic. Ubuntu != GNU/Linux. Ubuntu is just one distro among others and spring devels need to take care that they make documents and helps for universal way, IF they WANT more publicity to their game.

I even needed to install ubuntu top of mandriva because i wanted to play Spring. Help what this game wiki gives, dont apply on mandriva or fedora. But for Ubuntu it was much easier to get installed and even now when i just use those "supported" ubuntu repositories, i dont have working lobby, even it suppost to be one that kind.

Spring devels are making good job but this page needs rework, spring needs redesing build systems and forum needs organisation for clean shape so there aint just one topic what grows all the time. If i need to find out what is status of one AFLobby or similar, i need to go trought so many pages in forum in that topic to find out what is it status and what is newest version etc etc.

[SinbadEV]

That page is VERY stupid idea.

Stupid Stuff I Said

A Bunch of stuff you said.

I am sorry, I misinterpreted what you where saying and I'm sorry, I completely agree with everything you said. I though you were saying a web page like that made it too easy for people to get software... and being elitist by saying that only people willing to put the effort into getting software should be allowed too, effectively you didn't want linux "dumbed down".

I wholeheartedly agree with you that the ideal situation for any system (even windows) would be for the user to get instructions for how to get the software easily on the system they are on using a package manager(or even better if you could have an integration to the package manager from the browser).

A page like that would be great if it registered a database like it has but then provided the repo-information instead of a direct link.