http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA
Its old, but I havent seen it and I think it's quite disturbing.
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SwiftSpear
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You're right. That is terrifying. I knew the American media was bad, but this is a horribly reported story. This isnt even fox, its CNN.
'A committee that is sitting down to harmonize our meat inspection food safety.'
Oh noes! A committee on meat and food inspection. Soon everyone will be eating maple syrup and tacos!
'The name of the agreement is not security and prosperity of the united states, but of north america.'
Why on earth would Mexico and Canada sign a joint security agreement in order to ensure the security and prosperity of the united states but not themselves?
'It brings us to the subject of our poll tonight. Do you think somebody should take a vote if we are going to kill babies and eat them? Maybe, you know, people like you and me, vote.'
'A committee that is sitting down to harmonize our meat inspection food safety.'
Oh noes! A committee on meat and food inspection. Soon everyone will be eating maple syrup and tacos!
'The name of the agreement is not security and prosperity of the united states, but of north america.'
Why on earth would Mexico and Canada sign a joint security agreement in order to ensure the security and prosperity of the united states but not themselves?
'It brings us to the subject of our poll tonight. Do you think somebody should take a vote if we are going to kill babies and eat them? Maybe, you know, people like you and me, vote.'
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SwiftSpear
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I agree with Sak for the most part... I really don't think there's anything wrong with foreign countries taking interest in aiding each other with development and problems beyond their own boarders. Between Canada, Mexico and the USA there is an obnoxious assload of trade going on, what hurts us hurts you and what hurts you hurts us, the economic system of capitalism demands it.
Without knowing more exactly what went on I really don't think there is much to criticize there... perhaps that's really what needs to be criticized, that more about what is going on wasn't divulged to the public. However, effectively I really don't see it as a big deal that national leaders meet with each other and discuss strategies to meet mutual goals. For example, the nonsense about Mexico's boarder with southern nations, while I don't personally know the issue regarding it, I imagine the Mexican president does, and I imagine Bush should well know how it effects his nation as well, or at least, if it does he should want to learn this information.
Without knowing more exactly what went on I really don't think there is much to criticize there... perhaps that's really what needs to be criticized, that more about what is going on wasn't divulged to the public. However, effectively I really don't see it as a big deal that national leaders meet with each other and discuss strategies to meet mutual goals. For example, the nonsense about Mexico's boarder with southern nations, while I don't personally know the issue regarding it, I imagine the Mexican president does, and I imagine Bush should well know how it effects his nation as well, or at least, if it does he should want to learn this information.
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Felix the Cat
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Last time I checked a map there were no seas between Mexico and the USrattle wrote:Not quite like the EU.
Illegal mexican immigrants are still illegal I guess and get thrown back in the seas.
Cuba and the US there are and maybe that's what you've heard about.
Our policy on Cuban immigration is weird.
-By law, any Cuban citizen who sets foot on US soil is granted asylum.
-However, someone somewhere decided that this isn't such a good idea after all, but didn't feel like changing the law.
-Therefore, the Coast Guard actively prevents Cubans from landing in the US... but if they do manage to land they are greeted with open arms.
-Stupidity or social darwinism? You decide!
Left overs from the anti-communist red scares and neoconservativism of the cold war. They granted asylum because they were considered defectors from the "evils of communism". Its really just an old piece of propaganda gone wrong.Felix the Cat wrote:Last time I checked a map there were no seas between Mexico and the USrattle wrote:Not quite like the EU.
Illegal mexican immigrants are still illegal I guess and get thrown back in the seas.
Cuba and the US there are and maybe that's what you've heard about.
Our policy on Cuban immigration is weird.
-By law, any Cuban citizen who sets foot on US soil is granted asylum.
-However, someone somewhere decided that this isn't such a good idea after all, but didn't feel like changing the law.
-Therefore, the Coast Guard actively prevents Cubans from landing in the US... but if they do manage to land they are greeted with open arms.
-Stupidity or social darwinism? You decide!
Another weird one is that it is illegal to travel to Cuba without a permit from the US government, but Cuba is a very popular destination for American tourists. They just plane hop to one the nearby islands and then to Cuba.
I'm not sure why they still have these laws in place. It might be that its still a sensitive issue, particularly due to the Vietnam War. Removing the sanctions might be seen as sign of defeat, particularly for veterans, older generations, and the simple minded for whom the last idealogical war is still an open wound. No sane politician wants to touch that.
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Anyway, back on topic:
Lou Dobbs is a xenophobic idiot who doesn't even understand that international cooperation doesn't infringe on national sovereignty and is very common place. We aren't even talking about anything very serious or outside of presidential powers.
That report was a whole lot of nothing... I don't know why, but I expect better from CNN. Lou Dobbs is pissed at the Government cause the media doesn't do a good enough job of reporting on it's activities. Hmm... who's at fault here?
The USA would never enter into a EU-type arrangemnent with the rest of North America unless it was somehow perceived to be the lesser of two evils. Since Americans treasure their "independence" and "freedom" so very much, the evil to be averted would have to be pretty big, I can't even imagine what.
Canadians on the other hand, treasuring "peace, order and good government" I think are much more amenable to a union. Just as long as it isn't with the United States. Maybe the EU will let us join someday.
The USA would never enter into a EU-type arrangemnent with the rest of North America unless it was somehow perceived to be the lesser of two evils. Since Americans treasure their "independence" and "freedom" so very much, the evil to be averted would have to be pretty big, I can't even imagine what.
Canadians on the other hand, treasuring "peace, order and good government" I think are much more amenable to a union. Just as long as it isn't with the United States. Maybe the EU will let us join someday.
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Felix the Cat
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France will insist that you stop oppressing the Quebecois and grant Quebec independence.stilicho wrote:Canadians on the other hand, treasuring "peace, order and good government" I think are much more amenable to a union. Just as long as it isn't with the United States. Maybe the EU will let us join someday.
I am strongly for independence for Quebec, primarily because it would amuse me.
