legal"spring_0.76b1.exe"licence VS cavedog(tm)&futurGAMEz?

[emmanuel]

Yes. Although a lot of us would probably hate you for doing so. (Unless you use the money to cover server costs etc.)

IMO server costs are overrated a bit, spring.clan-sy.com could be run on ads like UF if fnordia would have a problem paying, but the fact is that most developers contribute their time which is worth much more $ than the actual server costs.

is some will hate spring project if some (selected) ads are in the display?

[SwiftSpear]

No part of the spring engine is part of the Total Annihilation license. Therefore, spring is legal. Some of the mods use illegal content, that isn't the fault of the engine. Valve doesn't get blamed when garry's modders port final fantasy models into the game, it's the fault of the person using the content, not the engine capable of running it.

It is legal to package and sell the Spring engine or any spring mod, that being said, you legally MUST still credit the spring team, and provide a link to our project/sourcecode. Basically, the only thing you could really sell is mod content and customer support. While you're allowed to include the spring content in the package you are selling, technically it's something you are giving for free as a bonus with whatever is being sold.

[emmanuel]

No part of the spring engine is part of the Total Annihilation license. Therefore, spring is legal. Some of the mods use illegal content, that isn't the fault of the engine.

blablabla !
is anyone (excepting you) use the spring engine without installer ?that installer lie about the legal and link/download to a gameZ host ?
why not link/download only on free material(pure,1944,fibre,kernel_panic) ?
its easy to link the installer on the list for curiousity mods without responsibility and advertising to be carefully read the liscences

sure 99% use spring for totalA mods but that dont need to be official and NEVER encouraged/apologized by ENGINE,
surely you know the sentence for illegalZ
and that will be a big loose for anyone is the separated engine developers will be punished for just a link...

[I2:Isaacment_Day]

Voted "the new comic crapy"the ugly"is your clone"

[emmanuel]

Voted "the new comic crapy"the ugly"is your clone"

or the noless comic "snob from slum"
your are offtopic :its schoking :
i rate you 13+=crude humor !

[jcnossen]

emmanuel, no one understands you so learn english first before complaining.

[emmanuel]

emmanuel, no one understands you so learn english first before complaining.

what ??? learning english for talk with some hackerZ ??

[Michilus_nimbus]

If you want the hackerZ to talk to you, yes.
if you would refrain from using Z and =, or things like "gif_animated" you'd be much more understandable

[emmanuel]

If you want the hackerZ to talk to you, yes.
if you would refrain from using Z and =, or things like "gif_animated" you'd be much more understandable

z=___in die buerse al sonder naet,daer men die beyaert mede slaet.___z====

[SwiftSpear]

No part of the spring engine is part of the Total Annihilation license. Therefore, spring is legal. Some of the mods use illegal content, that isn't the fault of the engine.

blablabla !
is anyone (excepting you) use the spring engine without installer ?that installer lie about the legal and link/download to a gameZ host ?
why not link/download only on free material(pure,1944,fibre,kernel_panic) ?
its easy to link the installer on the list for curiousity mods without responsibility and advertising to be carefully read the liscences

sure 99% use spring for totalA mods but that dont need to be official and NEVER encouraged/apologized by ENGINE,
surely you know the sentence for illegalZ
and that will be a big loose for anyone is the separated engine developers will be punished for just a link...

A: Spring engine development isn't responsible for the link in the installer.

B: No one will ever be punished unless Atari decides to uphold their copyright, which at this point in time they appear to have abandoned.

C: This project is the only thing that has been keeping the TA license valuable for the last 5 years. We're just fans of the game, and have been playing it due to that fact. We have no ill intent against TA nor it's current owners, and if asked by a representative of said license to stop borrowing it, for whatever reason, we are able to quickly and easily comply. There's no reason to punish us because we've done no one damage.

Now what are you arguing? That because this project unintentionally had legal transgressions in the past that we should now ignore any attempt to legal soundness in the future? That we should disband now for no reason at all? Or maby you are hoping that we'll start supporting warez and other crap on this site. In all cases the answer is "NO". We might not own the TA licence, but we own this site, and we own this game engine, and we'll continue to develop and run it in the way we see as best.

[emmanuel]

A: Spring engine development isn't responsible for the link in the installer.

B: No one will ever be punished unless Atari decides to uphold their copyright, which at this point in time they appear to have abandoned.

C: This project is the only thing that has been keeping the TA license valuable for the last 5 years. We're just fans of the game, and have been playing it due to that fact. We have no ill intent against TA nor it's current owners, and if asked by a representative of said license to stop borrowing it, for whatever reason, we are able to quickly and easily comply. There's no reason to punish us because we've done no one damage.
Now what are you arguing? That because this project unintentionally had legal transgressions in the past that we should now ignore any attempt to legal soundness in the future? That we should disband now for no reason at all? Or maby you are hoping that we'll start supporting warez and other crap on this site. In all cases the answer is "NO". We might not own the TA licence, but we own this site, and we own this game engine, and we'll continue to develop and run it in the way we see as best.

a: so the installer is unoficial or that in other forum part ???

b: No one will ever be punished unless ??? ever ? never ???

c: you lie 3 time :the intentionality is sure, the damage gived is out of your knowelge ,be outlaw is punished with or not damage ,

the engine is very good and you must and can easily protect it ,
against this kind of revelent:

Code: Select all

File Added :  3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours 10 minutes ago  
Downloads :  9058 (This Week: 110 | Today: 9)  
Bandwidth Used :  53.52 gb  

i found a smartest and easy way to end the big problem that allow links without remove it !!
!but if developers are not related to installer i go in the good forum for my new suggest :soory !

[Michilus_nimbus]

I don't understand you're problem, really. The Spring engine is perfectly legal, like everyone here has pointed out at least 5 times. If Atari sends us a Cease and Desist (which I doubt they ever will), we just keep distributing the GPLed mods. They _can't_ shut us down. This is a community with some very capable people, you know.

And don't bring on the "Cob and 3do are illegal" shit. It's nonsense.

[smokingwreckage]

"i found a smartest and easy way to end the big problem that allow links without remove it !!"

Transl: Let me post links to warez! It will really actually HELP you in the event someone tries to portray this community as a bunch of (ahem) "hackers"!

Synopsis: Emmanuel is not a clear thinker, though very enthusiastic.

[emmanuel]

I don't understand you're problem, really. The Spring engine is perfectly legal, ... If Atari sends us a Cease and Desist " shit. It's nonsense.

your text contain the explain !

"i found a smartest and easy way to end the big problem that allow links without remove it !!"
Transl: Let me post links to warez! It will really actually HELP you in the event someone tries to portray this community as a bunch of (ahem) "hackers"!
Synopsis: Emmanuel is not a clear thinker, though very enthusiastic.

??? "Let me post links to warez!" ???
but this that i asked will be removing in the futur installer !!!
and i thinked about an other way for that99% of the players can reach again direcly the totalA content but without spring apology

[Pressure Line]

lolwhut?

[emmanuel]

lolwhut?

agreed !
(Re: legal"spring_0.76b1.exe"licence VS cavedog(tm)&futurGAMEz?)

[Michilus_nimbus]

your text contain the explain !

And it also contains my counter argument. And please stop trimming my posts as you please. At least leave the relevant bits in.

Also, I repeat my question. As we've pointed out that cob and 3do are legal, what else do you think is illegal in the engine.

[emmanuel]

your text contain the explain !

And it also contains my counter argument. And please stop trimming my posts as you please. At least leave the relevant bits in.

Also, I repeat my question. As we've pointed out that cob and 3do are legal, what else do you think is illegal in the engine.

blablablah!
have you read my others answers?
is .cob or .3do are in use or used in others softwares ???

[KDR_11k]

You know, s3o isn't used by any other software either. ZOMG ILLEGAL EVEN THOUGH WE INVENTED IT!

[Michilus_nimbus]

have you read my others answers?

Sadly, yes.

is .cob or .3do are in use or used in others softwares ???

What the hell does that have to do with anything?!
I'll tell you: Absolutely Nothing.

And why should anyone use it in their software? There's lot's of scripting languages that are much easier to implement, and there's a huge amount of vastly superior 3D formats available.

So, besides cob and 3do,
what else do you think is illegal in the engine ??