Spring RTS Engine

AF wrote:Then they should go under a 3rd party implementation part elsewhere in the wiki, but there's still plenty to list, e.g. waterfalls and flooding dynamics, multiple water heights, model rigging, etc

Sure, list it, but keep it relevant and easy to understand.

AF wrote: As for stuff like Chilli etc, sometimes when prospecting things it's useful to know that something exists but isn't in the engine itself, it helps figure out how much work it'll be for you.

Can make a list of libraries/frameworks/stuff someplace else.

What I'm saying is that it's important NOT to scare people off with "engine can't do X", when it's reasonably doable within Lua.
The stuff you mentioned above OTOH is really not possible without doing major engine changes, which goes into a completely different ballpark.

https://springrts.com/wiki/Balanced_Ann ... ra_Control needs to be moved/copied to Help:CameraControl and updated for 99.0.

https://springrts.com/wiki/About/Organization

Not sure which section it should be in, but there's lack of information about parts of the spring infrastructure that are available for game devs to use (springfiles, rapid, official server).

- where to put files so that lobby clients can auto-download : games, maps and even custom engine versions

- some guidelines about reasonable usage : do's and don'ts

- updated information about the status of that infrastructure : how loaded are these systems? How many players can the official server hold? Are any of these services about to be dropped?

springfiles

http://springfiles.com/content/about

rapid

https://springrts.com/wiki/Rapid#Using_rapid_as_Gamedev

official server

https://springrts.com/wiki/Uberserver

so that lobby clients can auto-download : games, maps and even custom engine versions

https://springrts.com/wiki/Getting_Spri ... _and_Links
Game devs cannot release custom engines for use on Springs infrastructure.

there's lack of information

This took me 2 minutes using the search function on the wiki.

how loaded are these systems?

I can't see why anyone except server developers should worry about it, just ask them if you have a particular reason.

How many players can the official server hold?

An old version of the server crashed out at around 500 people iirc, when Evo went on steam. The current version is probably higher since Nightwatch/Springie are gone, I doubt anyone knows accurately, it's not easy to find out.

Are any of these services about to be dropped?

viewforum.php?f=64, and presumably if any actually were there would be an announcement.

raaar wrote:https://springrts.com/wiki/About/Organization

Not sure which section it should be in, but there's lack of information about parts of the spring infrastructure that are available for game devs to use (springfiles, rapid, official server).

I think that page should be used to explain who has control and ownership over Spring community resources and finances, but it shouldn't go define those resources are or how they can be used.
There are other relevant pages which Silentwings mentioned that describe it in detail, and I've updated the wiki with appropriate links.

raaar wrote: - updated information about the status of that infrastructure : how loaded are these systems? How many players can the official server hold? Are any of these services about to be dropped?

I'd like to have server status displayed in a special page on the site, with any scheduled maintenance posted there as well, but someone has to code that
PS: I think the site<->server integration Licho is doing is a good thing, we should feel motivated to do something similar here as well.

gajop wrote:I think that page should be used to explain who has control and ownership over Spring community resources and finances, but it shouldn't go define those resources are or how they can be used.
There are other relevant pages which Silentwings mentioned that describe it in detail, and I've updated the wiki with appropriate links.

agreed, the organization page shouldn't be used to explain services, if a description is needed, a (very likely already existing) dedicated wiki page should be used for that. i've added some more links.

I'm being anal but please follow https://springrts.com/wiki/Spring:PageNamingConventions

FLOZi wrote:I'm being anal but please follow https://springrts.com/wiki/Spring:PageNamingConventions

I think I didn't pick /Organization because there was this weird old Clan page so I wasn't sure if there'd be a conflict. Doable to just rename?

Spring:Organisation or Spring:Organization [sic] should be fine.

Need some feedback on https://springrts.com/wiki/Links#Development_Links
I'd like to remove most links that exist in other categories and perhaps nuke the page completely once those links are transferred accordingly.
There are so many useful links it doesn't make sense to have a special page for randomly chosen ones. I'd also like to make a "Lua library/framework/thingy" page out of some entries there and link it in Lua scripting.

PS: I moved https://springrts.com/wiki/About/Organization to https://springrts.com/wiki/Spring:Organization but the old link still exists?!

abma wrote:https://springrts.com/wiki/About/Organi ... edirect=no

OK, edited that out, next question is how can I delete the page?

only admin can. i've deleted it!

I'd like to schedule this for nukage: https://springrts.com/wiki/Lua:Libarylinks
The api_vector.lua link seems interesting (the rest do not), and could be copied to https://springrts.com/wiki/Lua_Libraries#Lua_libraries in some form (I think we could have a small part of that page dedicating to single-file libraries like api_vector, json, and similar).

The current lua callins/API documentation is organised in a way that doesn't make sense unless you're at a high level, is there a way of tagging and breaking things apart so that we can view things differently? E.g. if I want to give a command to move a unit, nothing at https://springrts.com/wiki/Lua_Scripting looks to be the obvious page to look at

https://springrts.com/wiki/Games
I think there should be a clear template of licensing for each game, so it's obvious how the code is licensed and how the content is.
One can be easily confused into thinking S44 isn't FOSS.

hokomoko wrote:https://springrts.com/wiki/Games
I think there should be a clear template of licensing for each game, so it's obvious how the code is licensed and how the content is.
One can be easily confused into thinking S44 isn't FOSS.

It does not need template, only fixing some links.
S44 links to http://spring1944.svn.sourceforge.net/v ... icense.txt but somehow is broken, it redirects to svn folder instead to the license.txt
Next links to break will be zero-K and Conflict Terra (links to old google-code), such things can always happen.

On Games page I find this part more problematic:

games page wrote:You can download games automatically, using your lobby (see Read Me First).

Game can also be downloaded manually, as sdz files, and placed into ../Spring/Games. Read the advice on this page if your lobby does not find your games. Some games also offer a stand-alone installer.

The underlined part is imo useless and only brings confusion, no player manually downloads files anymore. If a game is not downloadable by lobbies then the game is not in stage anyway where it needs to be advertised on games page.

Some players do manually download files (of their own choice), and obviously some games do offer/require their own installers.

Some players do manually download files (of their own choice),

all reasons I can think of to download files manually are edgecases like testing private stuff or bugged lobby.

and obviously some games do offer their own installers.

I think none of the game-installers offered to players on spring's download pages are good:
1) kernel panic - spring 95.0 version from 2013. IF the included lobby still works enough to update, this might be valid installer.

2) zero-K lobby - Different server, limited to one game.

3) NOTA - Limited to one game.

Why does https://springrts.com/wiki/Download point players towards installers that only allow to play one game?
Imo the universal lobbies (springlobby, weblobby) should be listed above the one-game-installers etc

8611z wrote:It does not need template, only fixing some links.
S44 links to http://spring1944.svn.sourceforge.net/v ... icense.txt but somehow is broken, it redirects to svn folder instead to the license.txt

I disagree, seeing CC-BY-NC there can be understood to indicate the entire game is CC-BY-NC.