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Re: My computer has gone retarded for the last fucking time...

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Pxtl wrote: Welcome to the internet. Snark is the official language. It's not like he peed in your Cheerios.
as opposed to the 2 other times where he starts tearing into my gf.

This forum has rules and his behavior isn't within them. This isn't 4chan, this is not supposed to be a forum with random jackoffs. This also isn't a singular instance pxtl.
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Re: My computer has gone retarded for the last fucking time...

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lurker wrote:
Cabbage wrote:an extra gig of ram
Was it a single stick that broke dual-channel? That would slow you down nicely.

Aha!! it could well be, i'll take it out later and see if theres any change
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I'm confused, I see people with almost the exact same specs as I have complain about poor performance in spring. I have 8800GT, e8400, p35 mobo, and I have absolutely no problems running spring, or any other game atm. I get 50-120 fps, depending on number of units in spring, always very playable. My "88" is 256 variant, however, so I run with low res shadows and 8x antialiasing.

Could it be, that 64 bit drivers for the 88 give expected performance with spring where 32 bit fails? I'm no expert, but that's one difference I thought might affect.
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Hahaha, sorry, didn't think you'd be offended Smoth, just messing around... truly didn't mean offense. I don't make fun of your girlfriend do I? Sorry. I don't even have one, let alone one that condones my anime and/or geek habits. It's probably jealousy. And this isn't just because the last 5 PMs I've got are all color-coded. I only bug you out of habit, not malice, nothing actually against you. To be fair, I've been a lot nicer to you lately, mainly teased you only indirectly by making childish references to Gundam in places inappropriate.

Resizing as I do not want to derail the thread. While we're on the topic of being offensive, I was under the impression this board does not condone the use of slurs, like calling things you don't like "gay". Since there are clearly moderators reading this thread could someone PM me (so as to not derail the thread further) and more clearly explain what the policy is on this? I would have a larger vocabulary to use if I knew I was allowed to call things gay, fag, etc. Perhaps Smoth said what he did in special circumstances, such as being unusually angry? At the time I wrote that message I'd been awake for 65 hours playing violent video games and watching foreign films. I plead insanity. But this forum has rules and his behavior isn't within them, iirc. To quote the forum rules post, "9. Racism or prejudice of any kind will not be supported here."
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Cabbage wrote:an extra gig of ram
Was it a single stick that broke dual-channel? That would slow you down nicely.
If you want to add a third gig I think you can buy 2x 1gig and 2x 512, pretty sure you can still keep the advantages of dual channel.

Not sure whether you pair one of each or both together... they're supposed to act as individual channels so maybe they need to both be 1.5 gb? Maybe they need to be matched... I've read it can be done, anyways.
Teutooni wrote:Could it be, that 64 bit drivers for the 88 give expected performance with spring where 32 bit fails? I'm no expert, but that's one difference I thought might affect.
People have been having performance problems since before Vista came out or 64-bit drivers for Vista existed IIRC, so I don't think that's the case, but it's an interesting idea.

I think you might be misunderstanding the problem. When we are complaining Spring isn't running "fast enough", what we means is, "It's not running as fast as we were expecting given how fast other, more complex engines, run." For instance, I complain about SoaSE performance problems on their boards and most everyone agrees with me, not because the game isn't playable, but because there is obviously a problem that's holding the game's performance back or else we're not doing something right.

50 -150 FPS is probably what I'd get too if I set my settings the same way you do. The problem is that given what we're actually doing at the time we're getting 50-150 FPS, if it was a different game we'd expect to have 300+ FPS.

The only reason anyone's complaining is we've sunk probably over a thousand dollars on our computers and we get better framerates in Crysis at full settings than we do in Spring at full settings.
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Re: My computer has gone retarded for the last fucking time...

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no, I don't think that calling an inanimate object gay is against the rules.
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If you were in another publicly visible space and called something "gay", you would have people saying things like "so a broken computer is worth the same to you as a gay person?" And as per forum rules, ignorance is not an excuse. ├óÔé¼┼ôI didn├óÔé¼Ôäót know it was a rule├óÔé¼┬Ø however is never an acceptable excuse, community members are expected to know and abide by our rules at all times.

Now please, I don't want to get in trouble for derailing your thread.
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smoth wrote:
Pxtl wrote: Welcome to the internet. Snark is the official language. It's not like he peed in your Cheerios.
as opposed to the 2 other times where he starts tearing into my gf.

This forum has rules and his behavior isn't within them. This isn't 4chan, this is not supposed to be a forum with random jackoffs. This also isn't a singular instance pxtl.
haha oh wow

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maverick256 wrote:You probably should check out the ATI's new 4850 ($200) and 4870 ($300, release next week) cards. They might just offer the best value for the money. Their openGL performance seem decent too. Also, Nvidia is dropping the price of their 9800 GTX to $200, and releasing the 9800 GTX+ for $230. All of these are worth checking out. The Nvidia GT200 series are definitely not the best value for the money.

If you are going for top performance regardless of cost, you'll want GT280 SLI. That's like $1300 bucks for the graphics cards alone. On the other hand, you can brag that your computer has at least 2.8 billion transistors ;)
Do you mind telling me where you read the 4870 was coming out next week? My sources put it sometime this summer.
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(Involuntary double post)
AF wrote:The 9000 series is basically the 8000 series but with architecture refinements, higher clock speeds, more shader units, and a few other things..
You're not completely correct, the 9000 series isn't even that much. I don't remember where I read it exactly but they tweaked some aspects of it but mainly cheapened it. It's slower or the same in many situations as the 8800 GTX and is often beat by the 8800 Ultra. This is IIRC largely because the data bus isn't as good.

HardOCP gives a pretty good summary.
The most interesting changes here are the memory capacity and the memory bus. Almost 18 months ago, the GeForce 8800 GTX came out with a staggering 768 MB of memory on a very wide 384-bit bus. But now, the GPU that comes to replace it comes to the party with 1/3 less memory and narrower data bus. It could be argued that a 768MB framebuffer and a 384-bit memory bus were overkill when the GeForce 8800 GTX was released. Most games at that time barely exceeded the 512 MB framebuffer. But that was before Crysis. When Crysis hit, the GeForce 8800 GTX suddenly seemed insufficient. Now, NVIDIA introduces a video card with a smaller framebuffer and a narrower data bus than the product it intends to replace. It is not hard to argue that these changes are bad for the high-end enthusiast user that this product targets, so some of this has left us wondering about NVIDIA├óÔé¼Ôäós decisions.

But aside from the narrowing of the bus and the shrinking of the framebuffer, there are other changes too, and for the better. The GPU core on the GeForce 9800 GTX is 100MHz faster than the G80, and the streaming processors are 338MHz faster. The memory too has been accelerated, up by 400MHz from the GeForce 8800 GTX's deceptively pokey 1.8 GHz DDR clock rate. At that clock speed, the memory has a maximum theoretical throughput of 70.4GB per second, which is down by 16GB per second from the capabilities of the GeForce 8800 GTX.

The GeForce 9800 GTX GPU itself is manufactured on a 65nm process and contains 754 million transistors, making it actually more complex than the G80. The video card as a whole is also rated at 156 watts TDP, which is 29 watts less than the GeForce 8800 GTX video card which weighs in at 185 watts.
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Caydr wrote:I think you might be misunderstanding the problem. When we are complaining Spring isn't running "fast enough", what we means is, "It's not running as fast as we were expecting given how fast other, more complex engines, run." For instance, I complain about SoaSE performance problems on their boards and most everyone agrees with me, not because the game isn't playable, but because there is obviously a problem that's holding the game's performance back or else we're not doing something right.

50 -150 FPS is probably what I'd get too if I set my settings the same way you do. The problem is that given what we're actually doing at the time we're getting 50-150 FPS, if it was a different game we'd expect to have 300+ FPS.

The only reason anyone's complaining is we've sunk probably over a thousand dollars on our computers and we get better framerates in Crysis at full settings than we do in Spring at full settings.
Uhh.. so you want to play with 8192x8192 shadowmaps, full AA, full decals, all to max basically? Right. Well, spring lets you turn 'em quite high, if you're insane enough. Commercial games have their settings restricted so that even on all max they're not ridiculous.

The difference to my old system is remarkable, and just what I expected, unlike what smoth says he experienced. I assumed there was a problem specific to his system with spring.

For the record, I have XP x64 corporate edition, not vista. Everything has worked fine so far.
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rattle wrote:Captain health issues is just jealous
rattle wins post of the month award

edit: doh didnt see 2nd page :/
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Teutooni, 64 bit xp is very different from the old xp. I am not running the same hardware, I am running an 8600 GTS. If you read my threads you would know I am not running the same rig as you. Comparing my card to yours is like comparing a competition weight lifter to a high school kid who is in the weight lifting club. The 8800 has massive amounts of RAW power.

Caydr is right, the cards we are using should be laughing at spring and rendering it at the ease of a schoolgirl skipping down the street. I even upgraded my processor. :\.
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Smoth, Bottom line:

9600GT 512 (650 mhz core clock) Will work REALLY well with the 175.16 forceware drivers.

For cpu grab a dual core 3 ghz AMD (Their price dropped like a rock a couple weeks ago).

OCZ 800mhz 1gig sticks (2) dual channel

PSU is pretty important. You need to check the specs of what the processor needs and literally read the specs on the PSU box for matching. If the PSU is underpowered in some areas it can cause big problems.

Use western digital harddrives and nothing but western digital, even if in particular cases they are more expensive (Tho generally prices for WD are really good).

Get a mobo with the nforce chipset, they are incredibly stable (I recommend Gigabyte's S-Series which is really nice).

Lastly, and possibly the most important point of all...
Battery backups and you. Any old battery backup won't cut it, the 20 dollar ones are worthless. You need a battery backup that runs from the battery all the time. The reason for this is the fact that AC is very unstable, whether you notice it or not, whereas DC is Even flow all the time. Computers like running from batteries. The UPS-APS will absorb the randomness of AC and protect your computer (It's possible that AC is shortening the life of your hard drives).
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No, nforce is made of phale and vista.
Uhh.. so you want to play with 8192x8192 shadowmaps, full AA, full decals, all to max basically? Right. Well, spring lets you turn 'em quite high, if you're insane enough. Commercial games have their settings restricted so that even on all max they're not ridiculous.
I think shadow maps are limited to 4096x4096. I tweaked the registry setting and that's as high as I could make it. Regardless, sharper shadows would be pretty nice yeah... full AA, not really, I don't see any difference above 4x normally and I think I actually played with it turned off back when I still played. But considering in Half Life 2 I can set it to 16x and still have a steady 60fps at all times (vsync) I don't think 4x is unreasonable or even an unusual expectation. The decals setting at maximum still isn't very high IMO, I haven't tried tweaking it directly in the registry but IIRC you still frequently see blast marks disappear suddenly in big battles. I mean, big battles. I don't know how much of an effect blast marks really has, they're not really important to me.

I should note that I do play with dynamic water off (I use the setting one below it) and I turn off grass entirely because I don't like the way it clips into buildings. I haven't got Spring on this computer at the moment so I don't know what every setting is, but generally yes I set everything to high and use almost all the "high end" settings within reason.
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smoth wrote:Teutooni, 64 bit xp is very different from the old xp. I am not running the same hardware, I am running an 8600 GTS. If you read my threads you would know I am not running the same rig as you. Comparing my card to yours is like comparing a competition weight lifter to a high school kid who is in the weight lifting club. The 8800 has massive amounts of RAW power.

Caydr is right, the cards we are using should be laughing at spring and rendering it at the ease of a schoolgirl skipping down the street. I even upgraded my processor. :\.
True, though iirc I've heard similiar complaints with 88s, and, you only mentioned 8000 series. :P

Anyway, I didn't mean to brag. I thougth your HDD was fucked anyway, so I suggest trying 64bit OS, unless you had one already. Might explain why some people report sloppy performance with 8 series, and some say they run fine.
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