Firearms.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 03 Nov 2007, 07:26

Guns in a sane person's hands can do good indeed.
But

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 03 Nov 2007, 09:54

ralphie wrote:The whole "guns for everyone" thing really seems to be working out for America

...

It's working out fine, actually.

It would work out more fine if more people had access to guns.

There's one county in Georgia where it is mandatory that all adults own a gun. In that county, the violent crime rate is among the lowest in the country. Why? Potential violent criminals know that it is likely that their targets will have a gun and will thus have the power to stop them.

"An armed society is a polite society." - Robert A. Heinlein

Pressure Line · Post by **Pressure Line** » 03 Nov 2007, 10:18

neddiedrow wrote:Generally, yes. Willpower lends you a lot of leeway. In the arena of pain, however, sexual thoughts apparently allow you to increase your capacity for it temporarily, according to some recent research.

in many cases pain can cause heightened enjoyment (see chick scratching your back during sex ^_^ for an example) or, for some people, the pain can BE the enjoyment

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 03 Nov 2007, 10:21

Trust me, PressureLine, I know about that.

Zpock · Post by **Zpock** » 03 Nov 2007, 12:25

A good middle ground would be to have an armed nobility, just like they did in the good old days. Then you mostly get rid of the idiots with guns problem.

I like the "keep government on it toes" idea and then there's no other way then to give acess to everyone tough, since government can't be trusthed to do the licensing or whatever.

Day · Post by **Day** » 03 Nov 2007, 13:22

the right to BEAR ARMS
everyone can hang a pair of bear arms on the wall

HeavyLancer · Post by **HeavyLancer** » 03 Nov 2007, 13:39

I prefer the right to arm bears.

Zpock wrote:A good middle ground would be to have an armed nobility, just like they did in the good old days. Then you mostly get rid of the idiots with guns problem.

Then you would have inbred idiots with guns and no-one else to stop them besides the corrupt authorities. Not good.

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 03 Nov 2007, 13:39

itt people who have never fired a gun talk about firearms and laws concerning them

Zpock · Post by **Zpock** » 03 Nov 2007, 13:44

Sleksa wrote:itt people who have never fired a gun talk about firearms and laws concerning them

Criminals and rednecks who use guns should be the only ones allowed to talk about it, I agree.

manored · Post by **manored** » 03 Nov 2007, 13:53

Why no one invented yet and gun for civilian use that shoots tranquilizing darts instead of bullets?...

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 03 Nov 2007, 13:58

From my perspective i see no reason for civilians to posess firearms other than as a hunting/sport equipment.

As a standard, a man committing a burglary does not deserve a death sentence,IMO. So why should you be allowed to act as a judge in a burglary situation?

Criminals and rednecks who use guns should be the only ones allowed to talk about it, I agree.

People with experience about firearms should be the only ones allowed to talk about it.

You already have armed police who represent the ultimate authority, and the juridicial system who acts as a judge and punisher.

Other than police and sportspeople, i see no reason to give civilians guns.

On the other hand though i speak as a citizen of a country that uses the draft system, so every finnish male recieves firearm training, unless his ethical/religious beliefs prevent him to bear arms. I think it would do some good to go through the same process for a few people who have voiced their opinions in this thread.

I think there should be some regulation. If you've had a history of being prone to violent rage that causes you to not think clearly, you don't need a permit for a gun, even if you can fire one properly.

That's pretty much the system in here, every gun is registered and you have to have a reason to have a permit to own a gun

Simply saying that you want one is not good enough, and should never be

Sangue · Post by **Sangue** » 03 Nov 2007, 15:02

bigshadow · Post by **bigshadow** » 03 Nov 2007, 15:06

meh, i do not fucking think that the united states r yes no? ellement need their weapons is not? fire in the rest of the world does fine without them

Decimator · Post by **Decimator** » 03 Nov 2007, 16:21

Sangue wrote:
Decimator wrote:Sangue, that's basically what the "shall issue" laws are like though. If they can't think of a good reason not to allow you to have a concealed carry permit, you can't get one. I think "not even a year old" would qualify.
I'm assuming you made a typo in there and really meant "If they can think of a good reason not to allow..", but at any rate, they do allow some people to carry a permit that don't necessarily deserve the right.

But I do realize things such as the shootings in schools don't come from people who actually own guns, but from individuals who have swiped guns from parents or other family members.

Some people just equate a gun with a sense of supreme power. It's as if the thrill of holding the fear of death over someone surges through them.

Really, it's people like these that make me cringe when it comes to gun purchases/ownership.

I agree that there should be some form of mandatory training, if not a psych evaluation for some people.

Yeah, I messed up. It should read:

Sangue, that's basically what the "shall issue" laws are like though. If they can't think of a good reason not to allow you to have a concealed carry permit, you can get one. I think "not even a year old" would qualify.

Fixed it in the original post.

Many states do require a training course for a concealed carry permit.

Sangue · Post by **Sangue** » 03 Nov 2007, 16:29

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 03 Nov 2007, 19:39

Sleksa wrote:From my perspective i see no reason for civilians to posess firearms other than as a hunting/sport equipment.

As a standard, a man committing a burglary does not deserve a death sentence,IMO. So why should you be allowed to act as a judge in a burglary situation?

You don't. A burler on your property has clear ill intent, you're simply granted the right to protect yourself and your family. The burglar forfeit's his right to protection by the state when he undertakes an act of aggression against another person, and he does not regain his right until he has rescinded his presence from the property of his victim.

It's not so much that you're granted the right to kill another person for their crimes, it's that you're granted the right to protect yourself on your property by any means necessary, and this is maintained because it's assumed that the burglar is just as likely to have a firearm as you are, so the citizen must be equipped and cleared to use whatever tool is going to effectively stop the assault.

[edit]If it can be proved you successfully stopped the offender and then continued on to murder them you can still be tried for murder under US law. You aren't allowed to kill people simply because they come on your property.

bigshadow · Post by **bigshadow** » 03 Nov 2007, 20:37

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[XIII]Roxas · Post by **[XIII]Roxas** » 04 Nov 2007, 00:43

I don't quite...erm...umm...well...

What?

Sangue · Post by **Sangue** » 04 Nov 2007, 01:12

RavingManiac · Post by **RavingManiac** » 04 Nov 2007, 02:53

If only someone would invent a long range, wireless taser, then all our problems would be solved...... A person committing a crime would easily get stunned and hauled to the nearest police station, at the same time a madman on a rampage won't do much damage armed with something that can only incapacitate.

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