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Snipawolf
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Hah, yes, I am a dumbass, and it is why I prefer to keep my mouth shut, perhaps you all see why? I am not very good at conveying my thoughts online.

No, nobody wants to go to war and die, but we would like to defend our nation from shit and more shit. I am honestly wondering what I would be defending if I joined the army, because I dislike most Americans now anyways. Last time we did the pledge in the morning, I and the teacher were the only ones who did it. -__-

Notice, swift, how I said "I" in the one about death and destruction. Not meaning everyone is good, I have seen plenty of fucked up guys who were perfectly fine before come from war.

James bond, I got a good laugh at that, heh.

Hmm, I got slaughtered. :P

Wait, I'm going back to read in a minute, I guess all discussions of weapons spill down into war, eh?
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Lindir The Green wrote:If the Buggers invade
ENDER WILL SAVE US ALL!!!!

More on topic: I am against the private ownership of guns because I feel there is no way to reliably and efficiently gauge the mental health of people buying guns. Also, guns do give people "ultimate power". Anybody holding a firearm can upon a whim use it to shoot other people. It takes a much stronger repression of anger not to harm others when you have the means at the squeeze of a finger than it would if you had to resort to other physical means. Most people do sometimes have lapses in this repression, when they are in rage. If not, we would see a lot less ctrl+a ctrl+d in Spring. And I am for people not harming other people.

Feminism: I think that there are biological differences between the sexes, and while this should by no means be a reason for unequal treatment by others, it may well be a reason for different choices by the individuals. Thus, the statistics people like to cite (about there not being a lot of women CEO's, head professors, even the difference in wages) may be irrelevant. By biological differences, I refer mainly to the ability to give birth and differences in brain chemistry and routing.

I feel that there is a tendency to mask over the innate differences amongst ourselves because people think that the basis for an equal society is to say we are all alike except for that unfortunate thing with the genitalia. We should live in an equal society because we choose to, because any type of discrimination is unethical and ultimately unproductive, not because we blind ourselves to the differences between men and women.
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Post by HeavyLancer »

On the subject of firearms:
4 Hit in Finnish School Shooting
First school shooting to occur in Finland. 1 Dead, 4 shot.
Discuss.
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Finnish news site says 5 dead, and that the situation is over.
manored
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Post by manored »

Crazy university students count? :) I dont think we should look for the exceptions, but for the nation-wide statistics
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It's a bit annoying that some people here (and I'm not saying you), seem to assume that I am some sort of idiot that needs to be talked down to and treated as though I am brain dead. I am anything but brain dead.
Nobody has acted like this.
but I don't need to 100% treated like men are either
Please elaborate.
Also, I know that a good many men may not want anything to do with war, I never said that all men do, just as I never said all women are like myself.
Then what's the point in starting your personal opinion with "Being a woman,"? The word being implies that you
believe all women hate war purely because they're women.
If I were even in the military, I'd want to be as far away from the battles as I could be. To be honest, this chick plans to be a wife and mother one day, and I can't be a good mother to anyone if I go out and get killed.
Even if this were said by a male, it would be incredibly obnoxious because you're saying you wouldn't want to see action purely because you want to be a mother and a wife. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who want to be good parents/spouses.
At least, in the end, I'm not trolling, and I am capable of a complete thought without being rude to the person I am speaking to.
So am I. I just find some of the stuff you are writing insulting and obnoxious.
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-"hate, im full of hate and i love it" the man wrote in irc-gallery

he also explained a bit of why he decided to go into a killing spree.

- some time ago i believed in humanity and wanted to live a long and happy life, but then i woke up

-he says that he's thought about life for a long time and come to a conclusion. "I've come to the point where i can only feel hatered against humanity and human race."

"i've had enough, i dont wish to become a part of this twisted and rotten society. Like some wise men have said, humanity is not worth defending, it is only worth killing."


apparently this guy is some sort of a neo nazi, he also posted some vids into youtube under the nick sturmgeist89 that supports my conclusion
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Post by TradeMark »

Sounds like me.
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Sounds like Finland isn't the gun-free happy socialist utopia it was made out to be.
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Felix the Cat wrote:Sounds like Finland isn't the gun-free happy socialist utopia it was made out to be.
Yeah dude, one gun incident clearly shows there are no benefits to having firearms be illegal.
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tombom wrote:
Felix the Cat wrote:Sounds like Finland isn't the gun-free happy socialist utopia it was made out to be.
Yeah dude, one gun incident clearly shows there are no benefits to having firearms be illegal.
It's a perfect example of how, if guns are illegal, only criminals will have them.
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Felix the Cat wrote:It's a perfect example of how, if guns are illegal, only criminals will have them.
In America you have legalised guns. Criminals have them and so do some normal people. Gun crime happens often.

In Europe guns are illegal. Some criminals have them bu very few normal people. Gun crime is low.

That's obviously simplifying it a lot and you're probably going to throw some statistics at me which show it's completely wrong but I don't see why having some people have guns who aren't criminals somehow makes things better.
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Post by Sleksa »

The guy was a member of a sport-shooting club and had a permit for his gun.

so his posession of the firearm was not illegal


Also finland is not a gun-free utopia.

Guns are illegal if they are not in the posession of

1) military
2) police
3) a civilian with a license for the gun

license can be obtained for a gun if you have a reason to posess a gun IE hunting, shooting range sports, and other shooting related sports, some permits are given for gun collectors too.

There are differences in strict gun control and a gunless utopia and free market, and i say the strict gun control is the most realistic and best out of all these.
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tombom wrote:
Felix the Cat wrote:It's a perfect example of how, if guns are illegal, only criminals will have them.
In America you have legalised guns. Criminals have them and so do some normal people. Gun crime happens often.

In Europe guns are illegal. Some criminals have them bu very few normal people. Gun crime is low.

That's obviously simplifying it a lot and you're probably going to throw some statistics at me which show it's completely wrong but I don't see why having some people have guns who aren't criminals somehow makes things better.
Well, see, I'm not a Eurosocialist, so I don't try to socially engineer people and treat people as statistics.

I do know that I strongly believe that every person has the right to defend his or her self with a firearm. That's all I really need. I'm not going to launch a statistics blitz at you, because I don't determine what is right and wrong by way of statistics.

I'd much rather live in a society where everyone has equal access to guns than in a society where only the government and criminals (oh, but I just repeated myself) have access to guns.
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Felix the Cat wrote:
tombom wrote:
Felix the Cat wrote:It's a perfect example of how, if guns are illegal, only criminals will have them.
In America you have legalised guns. Criminals have them and so do some normal people. Gun crime happens often.

In Europe guns are illegal. Some criminals have them bu very few normal people. Gun crime is low.

That's obviously simplifying it a lot and you're probably going to throw some statistics at me which show it's completely wrong but I don't see why having some people have guns who aren't criminals somehow makes things better.
Well, see, I'm not a Eurosocialist, so I don't try to socially engineer people and treat people as statistics.

Also its not only this situation. Think how much easier st

I do know that I strongly believe that every person has the right to defend his or her self with a firearm. That's all I really need. I'm not going to launch a statistics blitz at you, because I don't determine what is right and wrong by way of statistics.

I'd much rather live in a society where everyone has equal access to guns than in a society where only the government and criminals (oh, but I just repeated myself) have access to guns.

can you find the statistics of deaths by firearms in usa compared to finland? oh right you dont believe in statistics.

well if i recall correctly its somewhere between 10.000+ to 50-100 ? ofcourse when we are comparing a bigger country to a smaller one we should be looking at percentages, but i dont have access to quick references.

Also what comes to the jokela schoolshooting, there were roughly 100, trained, armed policemen in the scene
blitz at you, because I don't determine what is right and wrong by way of statistics.
What are you? Dirty harry or some shit?
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Post by tombom »

Felix the Cat wrote:Well, see, I'm not a Eurosocialist, so I don't try to socially engineer people and treat people as statistics.

I do know that I strongly believe that every person has the right to defend his or her self with a firearm. That's all I really need. I'm not going to launch a statistics blitz at you, because I don't determine what is right and wrong by way of statistics.

I'd much rather live in a society where everyone has equal access to guns than in a society where only the government and criminals (oh, but I just repeated myself) have access to guns.
Why should 1 person have a gun if it makes 100 people unhappy? Gut feeling is a terrible indicator and one of the main factors in the shitty bits of the world.

Oh and haha the government are criminals!!! Grow up.
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Post by Neddie »

Tombom, Felony 1.
TradeMark, Felony 4 - For actions across the forum.
Steven, Felony 4.
Sleksa, Felony 9 in argumentation.

These are your warnings. The next felony, and you'll earn a few days leave.

The rest of you are on watch.
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Post by Machiosabre »

mutually assured destruction for life! nuclear arms for all!
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tombom wrote:
Felix the Cat wrote:I'd much rather live in a society where everyone has equal access to guns than in a society where only the government and criminals (oh, but I just repeated myself) have access to guns.
Oh and haha the government are criminals!!! Grow up.
No, criminals and the government are the only ones with guns, while normal law abiding people does not, due to the restrictions. Criminals have them whether their allowed or not, since they by definition don't follow the law. Of course you might argue that lowlife criminals may have easier access, which can be doubted. It's also balanced by the fact that low tier criminals are more easily countered by the common folk (IE rapist vs woman equalized by guns). High end criminals will always have access to whatever guns and stuff they could want, your dreaming if you think otherwise. The government are also potentially corrupt and may thus need overthrowing by the common man, hence the argument why it's bad that only government and not common men have guns. The government may also fail to uphold violence monopoly, there's many many examples of the police not doing their job for example. Then it's much better if this power vacuum is filled by honest people, rather then the criminals. If the honest people can't have guns, they can't do that.
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