Is this an accurate assessment of BA 1vs1s?

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 13 Aug 2007, 06:59

clans are composd of indivudals entirely seperate from each other.

thats why clans dont exist, because dont share similar opinions

smurggoat

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 07:15

SwiftSpear wrote: WarC isn't a political party. It's a group of individuals who like to play with eachother. We don't have group representation, our opinions differ on many different subjects... Seriously... WTH were you thinking?

Yeah! It's not like Sleska was trying to speak for all of WarC or something!

OH WAIT

Sleksa wrote:
WarC do not give a shit about your balance input on this mod.

WarC does not want intelligent discussion with retards about balance.

do you honestly think we care about the ba forum posters?

do you think we take them seriously?

go back there and look at the replies we have made. Some ideas are good, majority just reek of idiocy.

DID YOU THINK WE WANT INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION OF THE BALANCE?

THINK AGAIN

WARC are composed of the finest players of ta:spring, WarC knows it can make a good balance for a mod, if we wanted your input, we'd ask it from you.

we balance this mod according to our own sense of balance.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 13 Aug 2007, 08:59

HunterW rescinds his position. Hunterw understands that his position is incorrect due to the fact that no individual has the right to speak on behalf of another individual for any reason, and that it's fully reasonable for another individual to claim that someone who has attempted to speak on their behalf does not in fact represent their opinion.

Hunterw is highly apologetic for his transgressions against his fellow players in the past, although not that serious, he his sorry for anyone he has offended.

Hunterw admits he is somewhat fond of the penis, and that is why at least one can be found in nearly all his maps.

Ishach · Post by **Ishach** » 13 Aug 2007, 09:34

sleksa u can represent me if u want :>

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 09:36

WarC should be aware that as a clan people will identify them as a collective. This is due to the fact that

1. Players wanting to join WarC must want to join WarC
2. People already in WarC must want that player to join

Ergo, if WarC accepts off-the-handle assholes to be in their clan, it hurts their image. Period. I personally find it ironic and hilarious that SwiftSpear would try to defend his clanmate for saying such utterly retarded shit all the time by saying they all act differently, when defending his clanmate's acid tongue is in and of itself proof that they are a collective

HunterW is not apologetic for anything he's said here because none of it was remotely offensive until after he was called a retard about 5000 times. If anyone here can find something that HunterW has said pages and pages ago that was offensive enough for Sleska to type a wall of hate text, please quote it so I can make sure we are on the same fucking planet.

oh btw

SwiftSpear wrote:
Hunterw admits he is somewhat fond of the penis, and that is why at least one can be found in nearly all his maps.

i have 6 maps and you have a lot of penis searching to do to back that one up

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 13 Aug 2007, 09:52

It's fun to have a clan asshole. That's why LCC is so lame

I'm not defending sleksa... infact I think you'll find my opinion on the matter is quite the opposite if you'd acctually read my posts. I'm defending myself, because someone made the claim that sleksa was speaking on my behalf, and that's offensive to me.

Being a stuffy rational isn't a prerequisite to joining WarC. I'm already there, we don't really need more.

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 10:05

anyway since me discussing BA's balance seems to piss off sleksa more than anything let me do that some more

it seems to me that if you want to make T2 more viable of an option, you would make it more effective specifically against T1. a good way to do that is by using AoE, because when a player first goes to T2 he only has a handful of T2 units against an opponent's slew of T1 spam he built instead of the T2 lab. seems to me like the best way to do this would be AoE, perhaps on oh lets say the viper/pitbull?

but no double its DPS instead and make all team games last 20 minutes longer on avg because it didnt fuck up 1v1s.

yea i know BA isn't about team games but how often do we see t3 units occur in 1v1? just about never, yet they have a bunch of changes last update so obviously this mod is supposed to be played with more than 2 people at least SOME time, and that's why i came to this thread to discuss. but no all the balance i just discussed is TOTALLY NOOB SHIT AND WRONG and doesnt make any sense, AND was "offensive".

this is the spring community tho so im not surprised

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 13 Aug 2007, 10:09

hunterw wrote:this is the spring community tho so im not surprised

^ evidently hasnt played an fps online

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 13 Aug 2007, 10:35

Peet, he mapped for UT. He just seems to have amnesia.

And yes, each clan puts a limit on how many rational members they can have. I thought WarC's was only one, but then Day asked me if I wanted to join. Still not good enough to fulfill my oath and be in a clan, however.

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 10:42

SwiftSpear wrote:I'm defending myself, because someone made the claim that sleksa was speaking on my behalf, and that's offensive to me.

Yeah, someone did do that. Sleksa.

Sleksa claimed he was speaking on you and all of WarC's behalf. You aren't offended at him when HE HIMSELF does it, but you ARE offended when other people claim he's doing it. That isn't very rational - you should be offended by both, why aren't you?

The answer is because he is in your clan, but you can't really say that can you, not with it leading you in to my logic trap of complete ownage, so I'll wait for a different answer.

Day · Post by **Day** » 13 Aug 2007, 10:57

hunter, i dont think you understood my last post... sleksa doesnt really have anything to do with the changes we make to BA its mainly me and noize, and sometimes other peoples suggestions when they come along,just because sleksa is trashtalking on the forums and saying that he represents all of WarC doesnt mean were all a bunch of assholes.
especially after ive said hes not representing us ~_~

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 11:05

i don't think you understood my last post

you guys should be upset that sleksa is putting words in all of your mouths. you aren't, but if someone believes that what he's saying is coming from WarC (which is completely his intent) then that's suddenly something to get upset over. you need to be upset about both or else you have a double standard.

day you're in the clear since you are upset by neither. that leaves swift.

also i didnt say you guys were assholes, what i said was:

hunterw wrote:WarC should be aware that as a clan people will identify them as a collective. This is due to the fact that

1. Players wanting to join WarC must want to join WarC
2. People already in WarC must want that player to join

Ergo, if WarC accepts off-the-handle assholes to be in their clan, it hurts their image.

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 11:22

quote != edit

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 13 Aug 2007, 11:30

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 11:31

think i'll have some too, pretty entertaining thread

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 13 Aug 2007, 11:44

I'm not defending sleksa... infact I think you'll find my opinion on the matter is quite the opposite if you'd acctually read my posts. I'm defending myself, because someone made the claim that sleksa was speaking on my behalf, and that's offensive to me.

Being a stuffy rational isn't a prerequisite to joining WarC. I'm already there, we don't really need more.

we all have disagreements in warc,
day has his own view of the game,
noize has his own view of the game,
i have my own view of the game
swift has his own view
, ETC ETC ETC

I may not always agree what they suggest/say, but i respect them because i know they are great players with excellent sense of how ta should be played.

ON THE OTHER HAND

people who talk total bullshit on the forums i flame down.
why?

because i think its total bullshit to post stuff like

it seems to me that if you want to make T2 more viable of an option, you would make it more effective specifically against T1. a good way to do that is by using AoE, because when a player first goes to T2 he only has a handful of T2 units against an opponent's slew of T1 spam he built instead of the T2 lab. seems to me like the best way to do this would be AoE, perhaps on oh lets say the viper/pitbull?

WE (OH SORRY, _I_) DO NOT THINK THAT TA SHOULD BE ABOUT ROCK PAPER SCISSORS, OR KNIGHT>ARCHER>PIKEMAN>KNIGHT BALANCE,

NOR SHOULD IT BE SUPCOM T1<T2<T3<EXP UNITS KIND OF A BALANCE,

LIKE YOU ARE STATING HERE.

if you want to make T2 more viable of an option, you would make it more effective specifically against T1.

GO MAKE YOUR OWN FORK OF AA, MAYBE PEOPLE WILL LIKE IT MORE THAN BA AND IT WILL BECOME #1 PLAYED MOD OF TASPRING.

IF YOU DONT LIKE THE GAMEPLAY BA OFFERS, THEN TOO BAD, BUT ATLEAST REFRAIN YOURSELF FROM POSTING RETARDED IDEAS.
(WELL ATLEAST I THINK THEYRE RETARDED)

just because sleksa is trashtalking on the forums and saying that he represents all of WarC doesnt mean were all a bunch of assholes.
especially after ive said hes not representing us ~_~

yes, i just represent my own views, that are _IMO_ often the same thing most of the decent players see things.

if this is not true, they will post in here and flame me.

Im not representing anyone else here, but I don't want a bunch of ego-brained 1337ists running the mod everyone here plays.
Just another reason why Ive turned a blind eye to BA...

i have next to nothing to do with ba as neddie, day, swift, hunter, etc have said.

that thing aside, i think you should go make your own mod if you dislike ba so much.

LOrDo wrote:
Uh huh. So your saying he dosen't represent the rest of WarC?

WarC isn't a political party. It's a group of individuals who like to play with eachother. We don't have group representation, our opinions differ on many different subjects... Seriously... WTH were you thinking?

true.

Sleksa:

yes, i just represent my own views, that are IMO often the same thing most of the decent players see things.

if this is not true, they will post in here and flame me.

oh and hunterw, i think you are a dick and not a that good-of-a player. I respect you from making maps into taspring, but thats about it.

i think your sense of balance and your suggestions are horrible.

i also think other warc agree with this.

(please keep in mind that i am not a spokesman of the warc, but just a random dick with a bad attitude

)

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 13 Aug 2007, 11:56

Sleksa wrote: NOR SHOULD IT BE SUPCOM T1<T2<T3<EXP UNITS KIND OF A BALANCE,

it is already, t1 land units go obsolete really fast with pitbull/viper spam. if you'd listen to my suggestion and actually comprehended it in your brain then you'd realize, hey that change would make that particular T2 defense exactly as viable against T1 as it is currently in BA5.5, but not as good against T2 units, which is exactly what needs to happen, because T2 is porcy as fuck on team games cause of new pitbull/viper, and guess what pretty much every team game ends up with most ppl goin to T2

it doesnt take much micro to drag a line of that spammable turret, but it sure takes a shitload of micro to kill them off

forks are already underway thankfully

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 13 Aug 2007, 12:02

and guess what pretty much every team game ends up with most ppl goin to T2

FO'SHO?

it doesnt take much micro to drag a line of that spammable turret, but it sure takes a shitload of micro to kill them off

i dont see how you can use a shitload of micro with 2 weasels and 1-3 snipers?

[12:54:41] <[WarC]Sleksa> well
[12:54:59] <[WarC]Sleksa> a few machineguns may well be able to stop a lot of riflemen from breaking your defences :D
[12:55:02] <[WarC]Sleksa> imo
[12:55:08] <[WarC]Sleksa> so you need to bring your snipers and tanks
[12:55:11] <[WarC]SwiftSpear> ya, but that's why you bring a tank
[12:55:16] <[WarC]Sleksa> lol
[12:55:23] <[WarC]SwiftSpear> so your enemy needs tanks too

forks are already underway thankfully

best of luck to your fork.

pintle · Post by **pintle** » 13 Aug 2007, 12:04

Sleksa wrote:oh and hunterw, i think you are a dick and not a that good-of-a player. I respect you from making maps into taspring, but thats about it.

and we should resect you why?

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 13 Aug 2007, 12:05

Sleksa wrote:
oh and hunterw, i think you are a dick and not a that good-of-a player. I respect you from making maps into taspring, but thats about it.

and we should resect you why?

did i ask for your respect?

you may hate me from the bottom of your heart, but that doesnt change my opinions.

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Is this an accurate assessment of BA 1vs1s?