Detailtex

zorbawic · Post by **zorbawic** » 05 Jul 2006, 19:46

Is it possible to have more than one detailtex on the same map ?
(like dependable on the typemap or featuremap)

For example one detailtex for the texture underwater and a second one for the land above water level ?

edit: Actually my question is connected to the possibility of having metal patches of a higher resolution like a texture for a geo

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 05 Jul 2006, 19:56

texture splattering.. new map format... wait for it.

zorbawic · Post by **zorbawic** » 05 Jul 2006, 20:00

is thre a info when is it going to be released?
(that means it isnt possible in corrent map format?)

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 05 Jul 2006, 20:13

well, they are doing the best they can I am sure but unfortunately from what I remember the new format is being delayed because of cross platform issues.

esteroth12 · Post by **esteroth12** » 06 Jul 2006, 01:28

yeah, apparently ATI cards have trouble with it...

unpossible · Post by **unpossible** » 06 Jul 2006, 12:08

esteroth12 wrote:yeah, apparently ATI cards have trouble with it...

oh noes!

Cheesecan · Post by **Cheesecan** » 06 Jul 2006, 12:18

unpossible wrote:
esteroth12 wrote:yeah, apparently ATI cards have trouble with it...
oh noes!

Oh screw ATI!

Zenka · Post by **Zenka** » 06 Jul 2006, 14:48

Cheesecan wrote:Oh screw ATI!

You are going to lose roughly the half of the spring players with that.

esteroth12 · Post by **esteroth12** » 06 Jul 2006, 16:33

yeah, my old, nice nVidia card was obsolete when I got my new motherboard ... I didn't check the AGP port, and when I got the 'board, my GeForce 4* (yeah, it wasn't that good

) didn't fit

naturally, my replacement is an ATi card...

*I'm pretty sure this is what i had...

mufdvr222 · Post by **mufdvr222** » 07 Jul 2006, 06:38

It would seem an awfull lot of people have ATI graphics cards myself included.

unpossible · Post by **unpossible** » 07 Jul 2006, 17:27

well, asuming that most people don't consider spring when buying a card i don't see why is itsn't about a 50/50 split. just a shame that the ATI architecture is so much more trciky for the spring devs to deal with.
is it actually more complex or is it just unfamiliar with fewer tools availible?

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 07 Jul 2006, 17:41

I guess so. Dynamic watrer dunt work on my X1600 :O

Vassago · Post by **Vassago** » 07 Jul 2006, 18:00

ATI driver support is lax, simple as that.

They are catching up to nvidia finally, albeit slowly.

Nvidia cards perform far better in OpenGL than ATI could ever hope for, so I don't see why people would buy ATI "for" Spring.

I'm wondering how the "next" GPU from ATI and Nvidia will be like. ATI is going to be heading towards a unified shader architexture, similar to the GPU they made for the original Xbox. While Nvidia is simply doubling the amount of pixel & vertex shaders (36 and 24, respectively).

I'm running an overclocked GeForce6800GT right now, and it runs Spring smooth as butter @ 1680x1050, even with 4xAA and 8xAF enabled.

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 07 Jul 2006, 18:08

It's not really a different architecture or harder or anything for devs. It's just that all current devs seem to like nVidia and hence use nVidia only for their dev machines. So it's very hard to test & debug on ATI for the devs.

I'm pretty sure that if all devs used ATI, the same would have happened for nVidia cards...

Personally I like nVidia because their OpenGL&Linux support is better then ATI.

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 08 Jul 2006, 00:53

I'm running an overclocked GeForce6800GT right now, and it runs Spring smooth as butter @ 1680x1050, even with 4xAA and 8xAF enabled.

Is this with dynamic water? I have a 6800Ultra and get a nasty flicker when I turn it on, but the FPS are fine. What drivers are you using?

mufdvr222 · Post by **mufdvr222** » 08 Jul 2006, 06:02

Vassago wrote:ATI driver support is lax, simple as that.

They are catching up to nvidia finally, albeit slowly.

Nvidia cards perform far better in OpenGL than ATI could ever hope for, so I don't see why people would buy ATI "for" Spring.

I'm wondering how the "next" GPU from ATI and Nvidia will be like. ATI is going to be heading towards a unified shader architexture, similar to the GPU they made for the original Xbox. While Nvidia is simply doubling the amount of pixel & vertex shaders (36 and 24, respectively).

I'm running an overclocked GeForce6800GT right now, and it runs Spring smooth as butter @ 1680x1050, even with 4xAA and 8xAF enabled.

Well there will not be any native open gl support in Windows Vista, so who knows what the future holds for open gl which would be a shame, I prefer it over direct X.

Cheesecan · Post by **Cheesecan** » 08 Jul 2006, 11:47

/me adds another reason not to upgrade to Vista on his list.

zorbawic · Post by **zorbawic** » 08 Jul 2006, 11:58

mufdvr222 wrote: Well there will not be any native open gl support in Windows Vista, so who knows what the future holds for open gl which would be a shame, I prefer it over direct X.

OpenGL will probably be emulated

zorbawic · Post by **zorbawic** » 08 Jul 2006, 12:20

back to the subject:

I was thinking of making a s30 flat object textured with a metal patch-like texture that would have higher resolution than the ones on the main map texture. Considering the image above it should be possible and even easy.

Unfortunately I don't have the requiered modeling skill at all (at least not now) - im rather a mapper. Could anyone make such a flat model after prepairing the texture? This way we could have better looking metal patches without waiting for the new map format.

that flat object probably should have parameters like the rock below:

metalpatch001.tdf

[metalpatch001]
{
world=All Worlds;
description=metal_spot;
category=arm_corpses;
object=metalpatch001.s3o;
footprintx=4;
footprintz=4;
height=30;
blocking=0;
hitdensity=1000;
metal=0;
damage=10000;
reclaimable=0;
featurereclamate=smudge01;
seqnamereclamate=tree1reclamate;
}

Im not sure what some of those parameters do - correct those parameters if im wrong or somethings missing

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 08 Jul 2006, 12:33

we would need a transparacy channel...

Spring RTS Engine

Detailtex

Detailtex

THE DEVS JUST HATE IT.