Endgame comparative statistics, like in OT

ee · Post by ee » 10 Jun 2006, 19:04

Remember when a game ended in OTA and statistics would show up in bar and number format? Not a graph that couldn't be interpreted but bars?

It displaed things like units produced, energy used/wasted and the like?

Can we have those?

Erom · Post by **Erom** » 10 Jun 2006, 20:31

What exactly is so hard to interpret about the graph? Most modern games have gone to the graph nowadays.

Theotherguy · Post by **Theotherguy** » 10 Jun 2006, 20:48

because the graph uses terrible, hard to see colors. peach on white for gridlines is a major nono, and the lines aren't exactly that large or even descriptive.

Rusher · Post by **Rusher** » 10 Jun 2006, 21:15

Should make the background of the window a solid colour (games over)

Is there a kill counter on there some where?

Aun · Post by **Aun** » 10 Jun 2006, 21:30

ee wrote:Remember when a game ended in OTA and statistics would show up in bar and number format? Not a graph that couldn't be interpreted but bars?

It displaed things like units produced, energy used/wasted and the like?

Can we have those?

The spring stats have everything the OTA stats did except for kills iirc...

The visibility of the lines is more dependant on the team colour, yellow is just annoying. =P

ee · Post by ee » 11 Jun 2006, 00:46

serious problem, k thx

knorke · Post by **knorke** » 11 Jun 2006, 01:15

I think he wants something like TOTAL units killed, or total metal produced.
As we all learned in school, this is possible by integrating (sp?) the graphs

What I would REALLY like to see was an option to create a log of the game.
It should feature the deaths/creations of units and maybe the metal/energy of the players.
Imagine something like this:

...gametick 1325:
KILLED: ARMCON-Team1-2014:3014
KILLED:ARMSOLAR-Team1-2010:3200
...
gametick 1330:
CREATED: ARMWIND-Team1-1053:1504
KILLED: CORSLASHER-Team2-3140:3421
...

The numbers would be the location of the event on the map.

There could be all kind of usefull third party programms to analyze games, for example a picture of the map with marked locations where most units were killed etc. or you could compare build-orders.

On the other hand, an explanation for the replay file-format would help the same purpose, but those would probally harder to parse.
If there is one, I would like try building something like http://bwchart.teamliquid.net/us/bwchart.php for Spring.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 11 Jun 2006, 13:43

As usual, I rarely get the opportunity to actually play so I'm probably wrong, but I thought the statistics in the .72 version that's posted in the dev forum were a bit more comprehensive than in .71, so it's possible you'll like the next version's endgame stats a bit better.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 11 Jun 2006, 17:34

What would be really nice would be if the statistics were just written to a file, and read/displayed by the lobby client.

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 11 Jun 2006, 19:31

Somone make a patch for OTA style statistics....

knorke · Post by **knorke** » 12 Jun 2006, 01:00

What would be really nice would be if the statistics were just written to a file, and read/displayed by the lobby client.

yup!
then you could also see them, if the game crashed or you have to leave before the end etc.

TradeMark · Post by **TradeMark** » 12 Jun 2006, 10:32

I want to see exact numbers, not graphs!!

The stats what we have now are too clicky (means i need to click too much to see what i want). And even when i click, i dont understand those graphs > they are still kinda useless.
And what the hell are those: "MC/m", "MP/m", KP/m", "Cmds/m", "ACS" ??? (i think cmds means commands)

We should have simple stats: "kills, losses, m/e make, m/e extract, m/e shared".

Aun · Post by **Aun** » 12 Jun 2006, 11:23

TradeMark wrote:I want to see exact numbers, not graphs!!

The stats what we have now are too clicky (means i need to click too much to see what i want). And even when i click, i dont understand those graphs > they are still kinda useless.
And what the hell are those: "MC/m", "MP/m", KP/m", "Cmds/m", "ACS" ??? (i think cmds means commands)

We should have simple stats: "kills, losses, m/e make, m/e extract, m/e shared".

Mouse over them and read the tooltip.

TradeMark · Post by **TradeMark** » 12 Jun 2006, 11:52

Oh there is tooltip? never noticed

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 12 Jun 2006, 16:49

TradeMark wrote:much to see what i want). And even when i click, i dont understand those graphs > they are still kinda useless.

They're value per unit time, coloured in your teamcolour. For example, the "Metal Produced" graph shows you how much you were producing at each second from the start of the game.

Michilus_nimbus · Post by **Michilus_nimbus** » 12 Jun 2006, 17:26

Egarwaen wrote:What would be really nice would be if the statistics were just written to a file, and read/displayed by the lobby client.

I'd kill for something like that. Really.

altruist · Post by **altruist** » 14 Jun 2006, 00:28

I don't think this should be a priority but rather something to be added to a wishlist.

I think I speak for the greater majority of people when I say we'd rather be rid of the "no RTTI data" errors and the sync/lag/bandwidth problems first.

For example, spring supposedly only requires 10kbps per user, but there are times when Spring's upload bandwidth spikes greatly to sync one user, causing the rest of the users to lose sync (limitation of asymmetricbroadband connections)

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:23

altruist wrote:For example, spring supposedly only requires 10kbps per user, but there are times when Spring's upload bandwidth spikes greatly to sync one user, causing the rest of the users to lose sync (limitation of asymmetricbroadband connections)

This is not true. Everything spring sends out goes to all clients and something like syncing one user does never happen. There isn't even something like that implemented in the code.

Note that I don't say that the upload bandwidth doesn't spike. That can still happen when someone gives large orders.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 14 Jun 2006, 13:55

like holding down shift with 100 odd aircons selected and telling them to build a line of buildings :D

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 14 Jun 2006, 13:56

someone could just adjust the tables we got now and send in a patch..

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Endgame comparative statistics, like in OT

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