unit is really cheap?
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unit is really cheap?
Ok, earlier when you guys had the error for like 1 or was in 0 metal cost I was cool with it.. but now it is is set with an even higher limit. HOW do I tell spring to stfu about it?
yeah, ok... NO how about they UNFUCK SPRING?krogothe wrote:multiply all costs and incomes by 10 and never worry about it again?
and it is not that simple. I would have to redo the metal extractors and metal makers(which is not simply that cut and dry).
I would then have to begin rebalancing shots for costs and increase the builtime of the construction units so they can reclaim faster.
This would effect the build times of all of the units in my mod and the rate they terraform as well. Which would mean that I would have to further rebalance.
The mod is balanced towards a certain value for a reason.
that one is 2 and 3 also causes the error.FizWizz wrote:or maybe it is inconvenient and annoying to have arbitrary cost limits for the error to come up? (0 or 1 I can understand). What is the cost of that unit, if I may ask?
you know, flozi, I think you simply stalk me around the forum to be snarky. How about you go sit and spin on a large rock drill? I hate little wankers like you who only post to be petty.
I do not know, maybe I am not going to devote the time to get the svn shit and make THAT change because people will not see it until the next spring release? Maybe unlike you I am working on my mod and have more to do then follow people around on the site? Maybe because I have my own REAL LIFE projects that I am working on? Maybe your opinion doesn't matter.
Also, I wouldn't have said anything. However, I adjusted the cost in the last version. NOW in THIS version they set the cap HIGHER. SO YEAH THEY HAVE TIME, they are actively increasing it!
I do not know, maybe I am not going to devote the time to get the svn shit and make THAT change because people will not see it until the next spring release? Maybe unlike you I am working on my mod and have more to do then follow people around on the site? Maybe because I have my own REAL LIFE projects that I am working on? Maybe your opinion doesn't matter.
Also, I wouldn't have said anything. However, I adjusted the cost in the last version. NOW in THIS version they set the cap HIGHER. SO YEAH THEY HAVE TIME, they are actively increasing it!
I wish this text would just be removed. It serves no purpose, and breaks all mod that use zero cost unit. It's not only an annoying message, but it's also a message that tell your opponent exactly what you are building. Smoth wordings is unneccesarly harsh, but I agree with him that this message should be cut out.
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Error is only given once in next version, not for every unit, and I set the limit to 0.001, to prevent division by zero in code:
Note that ultra-low power units which can attack other units (with much more power) can gain experience extremely fast. I practice I doubt this is a problem because in that case the mod is unbalanced anyway (if ultra cheap units are so powerful).
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attacker->experience+=0.1*power/attacker->power;
attacker->experience+=0.1*power/attacker->power*damage/maxHealth;
This is utter bullshit. Check the SVN log or diffs before you say things like this.smoth wrote:Also, I wouldn't have said anything. However, I adjusted the cost in the last version. NOW in THIS version they set the cap HIGHER. SO YEAH THEY HAVE TIME, they are actively increasing it!
It is a wall. there is no experience for it to gain. it is cheap because I do not want base defenses to really tax an econ when you have to build MANY of them. Nothing to do with my mods balance being bad, in fact quite the opposite.Tobi wrote: Note that ultra-low power units which can attack other units (with much more power) can gain experience extremely fast. I practice I doubt this is a problem because in that case the mod is unbalanced anyway (if ultra cheap units are so powerful).
You may believe that but I made the wall 2 metal in an earlier version to combat the anoying error message. NOW in the new version I get the error for <3 I have not checked 4. Also I read the SVN log daily.Tobi wrote:This is utter bullshit. Check the SVN log or diffs before you say things like this.
It is a pain in the ass that the limit is set this way. I am sorry other mod makers may be daft and somehow do this but frankly the error message is a bit superfluous.
It was just a warning in general, I know that for things without a way to attack, like a wall, it doesn't matter at all...smoth wrote:It is a wall. there is no experience for it to gain. it is cheap because I do not want base defenses to really tax an econ when you have to build MANY of them. Nothing to do with my mods balance being bad, in fact quite the opposite.Tobi wrote: Note that ultra-low power units which can attack other units (with much more power) can gain experience extremely fast. I practice I doubt this is a problem because in that case the mod is unbalanced anyway (if ultra cheap units are so powerful).
The limit was set to 5 and there were no changes in this limit the last few hundred revisions (= few versions). Note tho that the 'power' value is calculated using power=metalCost+energyCost/60, so maybe you made the wall cost 2 metal and > 180 energy and lowered the energyCost of the wall later on.You may believe that but I made the wall 2 metal in an earlier version to combat the anoying error message. NOW in the new version I get the error for <3 I have not checked 4. Also I read the SVN log daily.Tobi wrote:This is utter bullshit. Check the SVN log or diffs before you say things like this.
It is a pain in the ass that the limit is set this way. I am sorry other mod makers may be daft and somehow do this but frankly the error message is a bit superfluous.
Anyway, the matter should be solved now, as it will only warn if this power is lower then 0.001 in next version (to prevent division by zero crashes), so an energyCost of >0.06 or a metalCost of >0.001 is enough to suppress the warning.