lets just say its gonna be schweet....
CASE (w fans, and 420w PowerSupply)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811144001
MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813127189
CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116196
HDD's (3 @ SATA RAID 1) I almost got 4 of them..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822144173
Cooling (will add a VPU waterblock after assembly)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835128011
Video Card
http://www.pagecomputers.com/store/prod ... Fid=997171
RAM (2 kits, 4@512 MB total 2048 MB)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe ... te=bizrate
total cost ~1,275$ I'm gonna hate myself in 3 weeks for spending that... but oh well... its gonna be worth it...
Decided my tower on my desktop PC needed replacement..
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LathanStanley
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SwiftSpear
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Quality of a case is determined by the number of 120mm fan ports. A good case has 1 in the front 1 in the back and 1 side mounted pointing at the CPU. 4 80mm really can't compare to that, and because the larger fans can do more work with less RPM they make less noise as well. You seem to be spending alot of money for a fancy case that really isn't all that well built.
Ew, an intel...
Ah, liquid cooling, ok, then you can strike the fan blowin at the CPU, it's not nessicary, still, if you leave the radiator in case a fair bit of heat will be bled off it, and you vid card and HDDs are still doing to produce alot of heat.
I'd recommend not springing for DDR 2 unless you're getting it clocked over 750, which that mobo doesn't support anyways. DDR2 running at 533 runs slower then DDR running at 400. Theres alot of extra latency in the DDR2 data transfer protocol and it really doesn't get overcome unless you crank the living hell out of the clockrates. AMD just recently started supporting DDR2 because of this fact and AMD motherboards only support high clockrate DDR2 chips. You can save a bit of money going with DDR2 but you won't see better preformance.
Ew, an intel...
Ah, liquid cooling, ok, then you can strike the fan blowin at the CPU, it's not nessicary, still, if you leave the radiator in case a fair bit of heat will be bled off it, and you vid card and HDDs are still doing to produce alot of heat.
I'd recommend not springing for DDR 2 unless you're getting it clocked over 750, which that mobo doesn't support anyways. DDR2 running at 533 runs slower then DDR running at 400. Theres alot of extra latency in the DDR2 data transfer protocol and it really doesn't get overcome unless you crank the living hell out of the clockrates. AMD just recently started supporting DDR2 because of this fact and AMD motherboards only support high clockrate DDR2 chips. You can save a bit of money going with DDR2 but you won't see better preformance.
If you ordered ity fair enough.... however it is in truth teh wrong time to by a new PC... Nither AMD or INTEL have released there new gear, and thats what you should realy wait for.
And 120 fans are only importnt if you require silence above asetics... (Admitadly I go silence first every time
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And 120 fans are only importnt if you require silence above asetics... (Admitadly I go silence first every time
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Drone_Fragger
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Doesn't matter what you get, When vista comes out, it will ll be an expensive paperweight:
Reason:
No video cards today support DX10.
No Vidoe cards today support that crazy Thing Vista needs to display properly.
No motherboards today support The Cards that will be needed to run the cards to support the crazy Vista Stuff And DX10.
wait for a few months, like 4 or 5, So that you'll know Vista won't ahte you, and you will be almost guaranteed to be abvle to run supcom.
And get A 1600 XT you fool! Pro are slower, Although they do have more Vram!
Reason:
No video cards today support DX10.
No Vidoe cards today support that crazy Thing Vista needs to display properly.
No motherboards today support The Cards that will be needed to run the cards to support the crazy Vista Stuff And DX10.
wait for a few months, like 4 or 5, So that you'll know Vista won't ahte you, and you will be almost guaranteed to be abvle to run supcom.
And get A 1600 XT you fool! Pro are slower, Although they do have more Vram!
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Drone_Fragger
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I'm just using "Speed" as an example here. I can't be bothered to bring up the exact figures. Because I'm lazy :DaGorm wrote:Errr... actully alot of cards today will suport DX10. Even realy old crapy ones. They just wont have direct 10 feature sets. Which is not thye same thing. Exampel, my mate has a geforce 4 (DX 8 card) but it still runs DX 9 games. Just not with all the flashy effects.
aGorm
A DX9 Card runs Half life 2 at 1X speed at Full settings.
A DX8 Card runs Half life 2 At 1/4X speed at full settings.
Thats 4 times slower.
And when you take into account that Shader model 4 NEEDS DX10 Compatable cards To work, And that The only way to run DX10 on cards that don't support it is to emulate it, Becsaue Microsoft are blackmailing bastards, And will onoly let you touch DX10 if you Buy Vista.
It's ofcourse ridiculous to think that Windows Vista will only run properly on PC's that have a DX10 Graphical card. You might be unable to use a few features if you haven't DX10.
But indeed, the current status of hardware is a bit balancing. We are looking at a new generation of graphical cards comming out pritty soon. (indeed the DX 10 babbeling etc).
Also socket 939 is going to be replaced in the near future. Not very important if you use an Intell processor. But why do you anyway, since AMD is better and cheaper, and use less energy so it produces less heat, so you need less fans.
Why go for 3 or 4 small hard disks? why not buy one 160 GB (or 250 GB) or two 120GB's?
However, you will always stay behind the technology. I bought my PC last year March and it was back then High-End. It now suffices as a mid class PC. Still it does everything I want: running HL2 very good, Spring very good, 3d modeling software very good. Capable in running all the new games in decent settings. I'm happy. And if you will buy this PC (still recommend considering AMD), you'll be happy, and capable of running all the goodies for some time.
But indeed, the current status of hardware is a bit balancing. We are looking at a new generation of graphical cards comming out pritty soon. (indeed the DX 10 babbeling etc).
Also socket 939 is going to be replaced in the near future. Not very important if you use an Intell processor. But why do you anyway, since AMD is better and cheaper, and use less energy so it produces less heat, so you need less fans.
Why go for 3 or 4 small hard disks? why not buy one 160 GB (or 250 GB) or two 120GB's?
However, you will always stay behind the technology. I bought my PC last year March and it was back then High-End. It now suffices as a mid class PC. Still it does everything I want: running HL2 very good, Spring very good, 3d modeling software very good. Capable in running all the new games in decent settings. I'm happy. And if you will buy this PC (still recommend considering AMD), you'll be happy, and capable of running all the goodies for some time.
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Drone_Fragger
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AMD uses MORE power.Zenka wrote:It's ofcourse ridiculous to think that Windows Vista will only run properly on PC's that have a DX10 Graphical card. You might be unable to use a few features if you haven't DX10.
But indeed, the current status of hardware is a bit balancing. We are looking at a new generation of graphical cards comming out pritty soon. (indeed the DX 10 babbeling etc).
Also socket 939 is going to be replaced in the near future. Not very important if you use an Intell processor. But why do you anyway, since AMD is better and cheaper, and use less energy so it produces less heat, so you need less fans.
Why go for 3 or 4 small hard disks? why not buy one 160 GB (or 250 GB) or two 120GB's?
However, you will always stay behind the technology. I bought my PC last year March and it was back then High-End. It now suffices as a mid class PC. Still it does everything I want: running HL2 very good, Spring very good, 3d modeling software very good. Capable in running all the new games in decent settings. I'm happy. And if you will buy this PC (still recommend considering AMD), you'll be happy, and capable of running all the goodies for some time.
And Vista doesn't need DX10, its needs osme crazy chipbased thing taht no graphics cards today have. In otherwords, If you bought your card now, It won't run Vista and You will have to continue runnign XP. No vista means No DX10 for you, Which in turn means your games will suck ass.
Microsoft have said that if you don't have Vista, you don't Get "Real" Dx10, Just a shitty Emulated version which lags like hell and wastes your system resources.
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SwiftSpear
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Acctually there's a vista artical going around that basicly claims that you'll need to replace you're whole PC to effectively run vista. There's literally a half dozen bad design techniques that microsoft used developing vista that will make different aspects of it reject current day hardware.
First of all vista won't run on a machine that doesn't have the new content control protocols imbedded into the CPU. Only a few of the 64 bit dualcore models have that in place right now. Secondly windows vista requires a DX10 functional video card to run. This means your card needs to run the DX10 features, not just have legacy DX10 protocol coverage. No vid cards currently run DX10 featuresets. You'll need about twice the ram you currently have, Vista machines won't run virtually at all without 2 gigs to work with. You need a media copywrite protection compatable monitor to run vista, and apparently those don't exist yet on the consumer market. You also need several motherboard features that current day market PCs simply aren't shipped with. You can find them in a rare few buisiness models but they aren't available to be purchased on the consumer market.
If vista becomes wildly successful then yes, virtually anything you could buy right now would be a paperweight: But I can't see that happening with all the rediculous hardware requirements they've placed on the software. They will likely either need to vastly change thier hardware requirement plans or just accept having only the elite few as thier market demographic.
First of all vista won't run on a machine that doesn't have the new content control protocols imbedded into the CPU. Only a few of the 64 bit dualcore models have that in place right now. Secondly windows vista requires a DX10 functional video card to run. This means your card needs to run the DX10 features, not just have legacy DX10 protocol coverage. No vid cards currently run DX10 featuresets. You'll need about twice the ram you currently have, Vista machines won't run virtually at all without 2 gigs to work with. You need a media copywrite protection compatable monitor to run vista, and apparently those don't exist yet on the consumer market. You also need several motherboard features that current day market PCs simply aren't shipped with. You can find them in a rare few buisiness models but they aren't available to be purchased on the consumer market.
If vista becomes wildly successful then yes, virtually anything you could buy right now would be a paperweight: But I can't see that happening with all the rediculous hardware requirements they've placed on the software. They will likely either need to vastly change thier hardware requirement plans or just accept having only the elite few as thier market demographic.
I did hear something like that comming in longhorn (vista), never thought it could possibly true.
Well, So it seems I'll stick with windows XP, and upgrade it to 64 bit. (since that was the only reason for me to go for vista). Or I'll see if Maya runs under Linux and go to that... hmmm...
Partiatly on topic: no, AMD uses less energy then Intell. (http://www.heatsink-guide.com/content.p ... temp.shtml http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2005D ... 033997.htm)
on topic: If Vitsa is as bad as SwiftSpear claims, why do we want to run it? surely, XP will be unsupported after roughtly 8 years. I'm not affraid that software developers suddently start procucing DX10-only products.
(norf, we can all still run a UNIX based OS)
Well, So it seems I'll stick with windows XP, and upgrade it to 64 bit. (since that was the only reason for me to go for vista). Or I'll see if Maya runs under Linux and go to that... hmmm...
Partiatly on topic: no, AMD uses less energy then Intell. (http://www.heatsink-guide.com/content.p ... temp.shtml http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2005D ... 033997.htm)
on topic: If Vitsa is as bad as SwiftSpear claims, why do we want to run it? surely, XP will be unsupported after roughtly 8 years. I'm not affraid that software developers suddently start procucing DX10-only products.
(norf, we can all still run a UNIX based OS)
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Drone_Fragger
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SwiftSpear
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Well on the one hand if you wait to buy up you can be one of the vista pathburners... which will have some advantages sure, but may or may not be that important to most users. However, if you buy up now and then replace it all 4 years from now or whenever you'll basicly just be one of the high end old gen users, who may or may not be unable to run a few of the best and brightest new peices of software but will still be supported for the most part and will still be able to *coughthemakersofspringandspringadministrationdonotinanywaysupportillegalsoftwaretransfercough* use all the peices of software you have obtained using questionable methods...
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maverick256
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ugh, what kind of OS requires 2 gigs of ram to run? that would just be stupid. meh, was never a fan of MS anyways.
Speaking of hardware, both intel and AMD are going to go through a generation change by Q3/Q4 of this year. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/13/idf_spring_2006/
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http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/21/ ... _platform/
So it won't be unwise to wait. As it is right now Intel processors (except their mobile lines, Pentium M and Core Duo, those are great) consume quite a bit more power than their AMD counterparts.
Speaking of hardware, both intel and AMD are going to go through a generation change by Q3/Q4 of this year. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/13/idf_spring_2006/
and
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/21/ ... _platform/
So it won't be unwise to wait. As it is right now Intel processors (except their mobile lines, Pentium M and Core Duo, those are great) consume quite a bit more power than their AMD counterparts.
How exactly do you put copywrite protection in a monitor?You need a media copywrite protection compatable monitor to run vista,
All of these rumours are ridiculous - how exactly are the beta testers running Vista if it has all of these 'you-can't-get-it-now' requirements? Obviously it is not the finished product, but its the vast bulk of it.
Do you people really think MS are STUPID? They are money hungry and some might suggest sloppy at times, but they are not stupid. Stupid means losing money.
Microsoft is brilliant in getting money. really, the majorty of the world uses Windows. And most of them even dislike it (though I cannot confirm the last 
) I think Microsoft can do anything without having to worry that it won't be used.
Since the majorty runs windows, the most software is developed for windows, so everyone uses windows, so the most software is developed for windows, so every.... you get it.
And is MS forces us to all buy a new computer, hurray! our economy is saved!
) I think Microsoft can do anything without having to worry that it won't be used.Since the majorty runs windows, the most software is developed for windows, so everyone uses windows, so the most software is developed for windows, so every.... you get it.
And is MS forces us to all buy a new computer, hurray! our economy is saved!
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Drone_Fragger
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