Prime 9/11 Suspect?

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 07 Apr 2006, 05:55

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ap ... uspect.htm
Here's something to chew on, make of it what you will. This was an article that someone had recently pointed out to me.

mongus · Post by **mongus** » 07 Apr 2006, 06:06

buh , like they ever gona find the responsibles.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 07 Apr 2006, 06:31

Am I to naive to think that the main reason all of these conspiracy's haven't been uncovered is because they don't exist?

GrOuNd_ZeRo · Post by **GrOuNd_ZeRo** » 07 Apr 2006, 09:39

Yes the conspiracy theories don't exist!

It's been a PROVEN conspiracy! it's been proven the buildings were demolished by WELL PLACED DEMOLITIONS!

I suggest to watch "in plane sight"

http://video.google.com/ just type in 9/11 and Alex Jones...

mother · Post by **mother** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:26

Not only is the article bullshit, but Ground Zero, ...my how I am restraining myself from saying what I want to...

It was kinda disturbing hearing you say this crap when you lived in the Netherlands. I don't take kindly to anyone spewing this offensive drivel. We certainly don't take kindly to foreigners living in our heartland saying this kinda stuff. So even if you don't give a crap about how COMPLETELY OFFENSIVE and UTTERLY UNFOUNDED your bullshit is, You're a guest in our country, and I think self preservation should come into play.

Signed,
A New Yorker who knows people who died both on the ground AND on one of the planes

PS Zoombie- this crap all comes from the same groups of revisionist-historian conspiracy theorists that are famous for their holocaust denial. It's just that holocaust denial is illegal in the places that people like Ground Zero come from so they concentrate on the next most offensive BS they could find.

maverick256 · Post by **maverick256** » 07 Apr 2006, 16:04

I understand your outburst, mother.

The death of the victims will always be remembered, and that memory will never be tainted by whatever theory comes to light as to the cause of their death. Whatever the truth, it does not undermine the fact that this is the most tragic event in the recent history of this country.

However, it is because this is so tragic that we want to know the truth, whatever it is. Not that I agree with those theories (this one does sound pretty bullshitty), but nor do I trust the government's version of the story.

You have every right to be emotional. But please, do not let it mask reason. If new solid evidence comes to light that support some alternative explanation to the government's version, it won't be unwise to take a good look at it. Yes I know some people shamelessly try to taint this memory with empty speculations, but that does not undermine that there are some (pretty serious) discrepancies in what the government is telling us, and what is really there. So, keep an open mind, and let time reveal the truth, whatever it is.

The memory of the dead can only be honored by the truth.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 07 Apr 2006, 16:41

Well, because i like to think i have an open mind, i went back and read the thing AGAIN, this time checking against common sense and all the other factors you use when deciding whether something is believable or not.

And this ranks as a -1, out of ten. Its too flimsy, too "And then THIS happened" for me to take it seriously. Real life doesn't read like a conspiracy novel, were first it seems like a evil government is controlling everyone, then it turns out the evil government is being controlled by ROBOTS! Then the ROBOTS are really on the look out for those EVIL aliens that are always stinking their noses in our business...

Also, usually, the simplest answer is the best. Simple answer: Terrorists flew two planes into two buildings. Its horrific, impossible to sympathize with and completely inhuman.

Oh and don't get me started on Holocaust denials. Even though outlawing it is a bit much, as I'm of the opinion "You are free to have your own opinion. And I am free to make fun of YOUR opinion, you damn skinhead!"

Oh and, on another tangent, I was lucky enough to not have anyone close to me lost in 9/11, but I still feel sick when I remember when I first saw it on T.V...in middle school. Wow...I just realized that 9/11 was... about...four or so years ago. And it still feels like it happened yesterday.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 07 Apr 2006, 19:34

The idea that a couple of terrorists flew planes into buildings isn't too complex. The idea that those impacts were sufficient to bring the buildings down after burning for only an hour or two is unfathomable. High rise fires happen every now and then - they have been known to burn for 24 hours or more and still not collapse. In fact, the three world trade center buildings (the two towers and building... 9? or 7? whatever) are the only steel/concrete buildings that have ever collapsed due to fire in the history of this type of construction. The colossal number of "coincidental" occurances the same day is too complex. The mere notion that those two buildings would fall under their own weight from what amounted to a minor fire (in comparison to much larger high-rise fires that have occured - where the buildings did not fall down) is ridiculous. The video evidence of secondary explosions happening in sync with roughly 10 stories below the collapsing point during both buildings' collapse is too complex. Why were there explosions in the basement of the world trade center buildings? Why was a massive insurance policy against terrorist acts taken out on the towers just briefly before they were attacked? If the "terrorists" had the means to rig the entire building to implode demolition-style, why would they bother crashing planes into it? How did a fire burning below the melting point of steel manage to melt steel? Why was there damage to the lobby of the buildings when the planes clearly could not have caused it? I could go on like this for an hour, that's how many unanswered (and unanswerable, if the official account of terrorist acts is true) questions there are, but I'm going on a trip out of town in like 3 minutes and I need to get ready.

Look up "loose change" on google video. It's got some inconsistencies and exaggeration, but also a LOT of hard evidence. There are too many questions that should be _easily_ answered, but for which no answer has been given by the government. I mean, if they want to put these ideas to rest, why not just give an explanation about all the things like confiscated security videos of the Pentagon impact - which were confiscated in literally a matter of minutes after the impact, before anyone had seen them? Why were workers at the Pentagon instructed to "take the compensation money and shut up about what they saw"?

maverick256 · Post by **maverick256** » 07 Apr 2006, 20:19

well, a 767 can carry quite a lot of fuel (20k+ gallons). You can probably find online the amount of fuel the planes carried when slaming into the WTC.

I think the reason they provided for the building collapsing was that the very high temperatures created by lots of jet fuel burning weakened the steel structure too much, which seems to make sense.

smartie · Post by **smartie** » 07 Apr 2006, 20:58

the towers, buildings 1 and 2 were hit by planes, but building 7 was a 50 something story high-rise that collasped later in the afternoon from a seperate fire.

EDIT:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104wtc.jpg

I found a picture. And it was 47 stories, not 50

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 08 Apr 2006, 01:58

As I hear it, Jet Engine Fuel burns really hot and this weakened the structures of the towers, and they collapsed.

Wirder (and more horrific) things happened. Like two crematorium workers who chopped the buttocks of corpses off, then sold them to a nearby restaurant as dumplings. Or the man who won the Guinness book of World records in high altitude flying with a private owned vehicle (his law chair) Or a nation of sane, normal people deciding, over the course of what...eight or so years, to march nine million people into furnaces. Wirder and more horrible.

mongus · Post by **mongus** » 08 Apr 2006, 20:21

wow. mother is scary.

krogothe · Post by **krogothe** » 09 Apr 2006, 01:35

Heres the link to those interested:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 62628848&q

Even if the videos charged with exaggeration, it requires incredible naivety not to agree that the attacks were the best thing that could have ever happened to the bush administration. Regardless of evidence that the government was actually behind the attacks, it is pretty obvious that it served the government well. Too well...
But hey, the government would never kill 3k of its own people and get away with it would it? Must be a conspiracy created by the sheer coincidences.

And jet fuel under pure oxygen is not hot enough to melt steel. Its scientifically proven.

It is *unlikely* that this jet fuel in common air will manage to travel 100 floors down a building down an elevator shaft and then melt steel in the basement.

Decimator · Post by **Decimator** » 09 Apr 2006, 05:01

Sigh... Steel weakens and bends far before it reaches the temperature needed to melt it.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 09 Apr 2006, 05:03

Also there could of been a unnoticed structural flaw in the building itself. Like the leaning tower of Piza!

Candleman · Post by **Candleman** » 09 Apr 2006, 05:13

actually, the tower of pisa isn't a stuctural flaw (apparently no one noticed the unstable mud they were building on), but I have to agree.

Steel tends to bend easily under heat, and while not technically melting, the effect is the same. Also, the planes stayed in the building, adding a couple tons of weight to the already weakened beams.

krogothe · Post by **krogothe** » 09 Apr 2006, 05:26

Sigh says I, suddenly fire manages to take down 3 buildings, whereas it has never happened before, three structural flaws that happen to manifest themselves in the space of a couple of hours, all in adjacent buildings! yeah right...
Watch the video at least!

Decimator · Post by **Decimator** » 09 Apr 2006, 05:34

Read this: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... tml?page=1

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 09 Apr 2006, 05:43

Well the Christler tower had a SERIOUS structural flaw that could have collapsed the building if one collage student didn't point out that the girders were placed in the wrong way, with the wrong bolts and if a hurricane would even pop up the building would collapse. So the company went in, replaced the girders and the building never collapsed. Its not as if structural flaws just 'pop up'. Many times people just don't notice these things. I once had a math problem and I couldn't figure out WHY I WAS GETTING IT WRONG!

Turns out I forgot to carry the two. And it was one of those huge, half the paper taking up type things. Its simple for a project as huge as the Worlds Trade Centers to have a really serious problem go unnoticed. Is that REALLY inconceivable? Not really. Makes more sense then its the governments fault, at least to me. I don't think Bush is such a power grubbing idiot that he would kill thousands of innocent people to start a war that would kill thousands of OTHER innocent people. Sure he makes bad decisions and is not the best president we've ever had, but he is not Hitler...or Sudam. Those people were more then willing to kill thousands (millions) of people for their own agendas.

Do we see DEATH squads killing off innocent American family's? Are there sedition laws? Concentration Camps? Propaganda centers? Mass media censorship? Rigged Elections? Constant Surveillance? Is the year 1984? Are we at war with EastAsia or EurAsia? Can I put more Orwell references into my rant?

NO!

OverDamage · Post by **OverDamage** » 09 Apr 2006, 08:05

Zoombie wrote: Do we see DEATH squads killing off innocent American family's? Are there sedition laws? Concentration Camps? Propaganda centers? Mass media censorship? Rigged Elections? Constant Surveillance? Is the year 1984? Are we at war with EastAsia or EurAsia? Can I put more Orwell references into my rant?

NO!

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Prime 9/11 Suspect?

Prime 9/11 Suspect?