Baby seal murdering

mother · Post by **mother** » 16 Mar 2006, 17:25

Those Canadian psychos are about to start their annual baby seal slaughtering.
[This practice really does disgust me, but this thread really is just a good natured jab]

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First they hit them over the head with a club...

Then they rip their skin off!
(It was really too gross to leave as an [img], sorry)

EDIT:hotlinked image went bad

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 16 Mar 2006, 17:28

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 16 Mar 2006, 17:30

while still alive? That is, in my opinion, sadistic.

mother · Post by **mother** » 16 Mar 2006, 17:38

Obviously the 'while alive' bit SHOULDNT be done..

"conscious baby seals stabbed with boathooks and dragged across the ice, wounded seal pups left to choke on their own blood for more than an hour, and conscious seals sliced open and skinned as they struggled. An independent veterinary study conducted in 2001 found much of the same; it concluded that 42% of the seals examined had likely been skinned alive while conscious."

But what should happen obviously takes backstage to what really does...

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 16 Mar 2006, 17:39

The rest of the story...

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/myth_e.htm

Also from my personal opinion... just because something is cute doesn't give it any more right to life then anything else on the planet... humans are different then animals because we have the ability to disearn when killing off thousands of animals is in the best interest of the environement as a whole.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 16 Mar 2006, 19:36

And thats any less unplesant than being eaten by a predator?

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 16 Mar 2006, 20:07

Or being eaten and digested while still alive by a Killer whale?

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 16 Mar 2006, 20:10

meh, probly a lot, yeah

killer whales dont skin you alive, they just eat you.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 16 Mar 2006, 20:37

While you slowly sufficate inside the stumoc acids offcourse...

I don't think animals are eqwal to humans, but viloence that can be avoided is good i guess... can't they atleast killl them before they skin em?

So, a baby seal walks into a club...

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 16 Mar 2006, 20:51

I'd imagine them biting them in half or something, or chewing.
I'm not a marine biologist or anything but a living seal inside your stomach = bad.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 16 Mar 2006, 21:09

From the link I posted before.

Myth #2: Seals are being skinned alive.
Reality: A 2002 independent veterinarians├óÔé¼Ôäó report published in the Canadian Veterinary Journal and numerous reports mentioned by the Malouf Commission (1987) indicate that this is not true.

Sometimes a seal may appear to be moving after it has been killed; however seals have a swimming reflex that is active ├óÔé¼ÔÇ£ even after death. This reflex gives the false impression that the animal is still alive when it is clearly dead ├óÔé¼ÔÇ£ similar to the reflex in chickens.

First of all... "skinning the seals alive", if it happens, is not something done on purpose... it's not like boiling lobster alive because it cooks better that way... it's something that's an accident... it's also not something that is legal in canada...

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 17 Mar 2006, 03:51

Kixxe wrote:So, a baby seal walks into a club...

Hehe.

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 17 Mar 2006, 05:13

SinbadEV wrote:Also from my personal opinion... just because something is cute doesn't give it any more right to life then anything else on the planet...

Doesn't give it any less right to life either...

If I came to your house right now and flailed you you and scalped you and then murdered you, and said in my defense "He didn't have any more right to life than any other thing on this planet", how would your family and friends feel?

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 17 Mar 2006, 05:56

I, for my self, belive that all life has only two REAL rules.

"Don't die" and "Breed".

When you think of it in really stark, depressing tearms like that, life is really simple. If horrible and depressing, so thats when society hammers in the next three rules

"Don't Kill" and "Don't steal" and "Don't be a asshat"

Then culture interceeds. Culture puts down another set of even MORE rules (All of the one).

"Be Nice".

Really those six rules are very simple to
A) Propigate teh speices
B) Keep out society intact
C) Have a nice and happy culture, with smiling and lolypops!

Oh and there is South Park Rule: "Drugs are baaad mmkay".

But so, following these rules, we can infeer that because clubbing a baby seal and skinning it then leaveing the corpse to be covered by snow is not a good. It breaks the "Don't Kill" rule. And, even worse, becasue they people who are clubbing aren't breaking the "Don't Die" rule you can't midigate them! Its not LIKE THEY ARE EATING SEALS!! If they were killing them humainly to surivive then its not horrible, its natural. Animals eat other animals.

So by my personal rules of exsistence, the clubbers are being horrible horrible people.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 17 Mar 2006, 07:23

Dragon45 wrote:
SinbadEV wrote:Also from my personal opinion... just because something is cute doesn't give it any more right to life then anything else on the planet...
Doesn't give it any less right to life either...

If I came to your house right now and flailed you you and scalped you and then murdered you, and said in my defense "He didn't have any more right to life than any other thing on this planet", how would your family and friends feel?

All I'm saying in that particular quote is that unless you are expecting me to be an ova-lacto-vegan you have no particular reason to show me pictures of mutilated harp seals other then the fact that you are trying to make me feel sorry for the things because they are cute.

Leaving the carcasses to rot? Many people eat seal meat... I don't, in fact I've never seen it on the store shelves... maybe that's because a bunch of idiots keep putting pictures of bloodied up 3 day old seals all over the place and any store that tried to sell seal meat wold get burned down by the end of the week.

Yeah... I'm sorry... that argument was a little weak.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 17 Mar 2006, 07:53

Dragon45 wrote:
SinbadEV wrote:Also from my personal opinion... just because something is cute doesn't give it any more right to life then anything else on the planet...
Doesn't give it any less right to life either...

If I came to your house right now and flailed you you and scalped you and then murdered you, and said in my defense "He didn't have any more right to life than any other thing on this planet", how would your family and friends feel?

They would call the police and put you in prison, but Seals don't have working law system...

diggz2k · Post by **diggz2k** » 17 Mar 2006, 08:01

Humans absolutley have more of a right to live than animals. so killing a human is much worse than killing a baby seal and skinning it alive.

Weaver · Post by **Weaver** » 17 Mar 2006, 08:41

diggz2k wrote:Humans absolutley have more of a right to live than animals. so killing a human is much worse than killing a baby seal and skinning it alive.

An interesting point raised here. Where's the balance point.

1 human life> 1 animal life
and
1 human life> 10 animal lives
but is
1 human life> 1 million animal lives?
or
1 human life> 1 animal species?

How much does humane killing as opposed to barbaric slaughter affect the numbers?

And how many human lives are saved by killing baby seals? Is it just about fish and feeding ourselves or sport and profit?

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 17 Mar 2006, 11:52

And why is a human worth more than an animal in the first place? What gives us the right to live over them? We are the ones that wage large scale wars, kill animals needlessly (like the seals. Cows for food and stuff is fine), cant live togther nicley, and generally screw up the planet for everyone else. I think the majority of humans in the world deserve to live less than animals.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 17 Mar 2006, 12:01

Wait, canada's a really big place? Why are we getting blamed for this? There are laws against skinning seals alive here as well...

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