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About the Danish Caricatures of Muhammed
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my muslim friends are not up in arms about it... frankly they see it objectively. It is more an act of ignorance, while also in bad taste.
The art community always has a propensity for doing asinine things "avaunt guarde" I believe is the term they liked to use.
As far as the christiains getting pissed.. look up the peice "pissed christ" Some wanker pissed in a jar, dropped a crucifix in in and photographed it gaining scorn and renown. I can honestly tell you, yeah the NOTION of it pisses me off.. but only because that isn't art it is just being a dick. I hate HATE HATE hack artists.
The art community always has a propensity for doing asinine things "avaunt guarde" I believe is the term they liked to use.
As far as the christiains getting pissed.. look up the peice "pissed christ" Some wanker pissed in a jar, dropped a crucifix in in and photographed it gaining scorn and renown. I can honestly tell you, yeah the NOTION of it pisses me off.. but only because that isn't art it is just being a dick. I hate HATE HATE hack artists.
Yeah...the whole art comminity being a little "crazy" reminds me of a web site called the highest score.
Here is a link to a web site TALKING about the web site, as the highest score was shut down by Take Two interactive. I think it was a good thing, as the web site was a proacative moronic pice of crap. But thats just me:
So this is the websites comments. They are fairly impartail, but the respons on the forums are pretty polerized and extream. Most along the same lines as my respons....increased by an order of magnitudes.
Anywho, decide for thine self.
Rockstar Games, as the saying goes, may not know much about art, but it knows what it likes - and what it doesn't.
And what it definitely didn't like, according to the The Daily Page, was an "online art installation" created by University of Wisconsin art student Dave Berg. Berg's work was displayed at The Highest Score, a site Berg created to "contemplate video game violence."
Berg's chosen medium of expression was Rockstar's 2005 release The Warriors. A short, looping clip of a gang character kicking a woman on the ground was displayed over and over. A counter on the page was synchronized with the onscreen action and exceeded 285,000 by the time Berg received a heavy-handed "cease and desist" order from Morrison Cohen LLP, a Big Apple law firm representing Rockstar
GP: What? No Blank Rome? Quick, somebody tell Jack of Miami...
What was Berg's point?
As he told the Daily Page, "...video games as a medium are perhaps one of the final frontiers where sexism and graphic violence exist, to a certain point, unchecked and definitely encouraged... what is depicted on my website is something that occurs in the game, but does not help you solve puzzles or learn lessons - it exists for pure entertainment... The saddest part concerning this "entertainment" approach to these issues is that while these games are rated for certain age groups, it is a common fact that video game rental stores and many other stores that actually sell the game do not check the purchaser's age at the time of the sale."
"Secondly, I'm very interested in the concept that our postmodern world has dealt with for the past 20 years, namely, the desensitivization of violent images on one's mind. The fact that this video clip is occurring at a constant sound beat and motion, and it is paired with a numeric value, I'm interested in the idea of this image becoming less and less hard to look at with every second that passes, due to the hypnotic rhythm that exists within the site."
"Paired with that, I wanted to point out how America seems to be so obsessed with large numbers... That is why I put a counter in the top left corner... I'm essentially conducting an experiment, as i am curious as to whether people will begin to lose their focus on how brutal the image is and begin to become obsessed with the number's growth."
This is from http://www.gamepolitics.com/, a really cool and awsome website for me. I dont know about the rest of you.
PS: Thanks Malstrom for the free advertising! I need money!
Here is a link to a web site TALKING about the web site, as the highest score was shut down by Take Two interactive. I think it was a good thing, as the web site was a proacative moronic pice of crap. But thats just me:
So this is the websites comments. They are fairly impartail, but the respons on the forums are pretty polerized and extream. Most along the same lines as my respons....increased by an order of magnitudes.
Anywho, decide for thine self.
Rockstar Games, as the saying goes, may not know much about art, but it knows what it likes - and what it doesn't.
And what it definitely didn't like, according to the The Daily Page, was an "online art installation" created by University of Wisconsin art student Dave Berg. Berg's work was displayed at The Highest Score, a site Berg created to "contemplate video game violence."
Berg's chosen medium of expression was Rockstar's 2005 release The Warriors. A short, looping clip of a gang character kicking a woman on the ground was displayed over and over. A counter on the page was synchronized with the onscreen action and exceeded 285,000 by the time Berg received a heavy-handed "cease and desist" order from Morrison Cohen LLP, a Big Apple law firm representing Rockstar
GP: What? No Blank Rome? Quick, somebody tell Jack of Miami...
What was Berg's point?
As he told the Daily Page, "...video games as a medium are perhaps one of the final frontiers where sexism and graphic violence exist, to a certain point, unchecked and definitely encouraged... what is depicted on my website is something that occurs in the game, but does not help you solve puzzles or learn lessons - it exists for pure entertainment... The saddest part concerning this "entertainment" approach to these issues is that while these games are rated for certain age groups, it is a common fact that video game rental stores and many other stores that actually sell the game do not check the purchaser's age at the time of the sale."
"Secondly, I'm very interested in the concept that our postmodern world has dealt with for the past 20 years, namely, the desensitivization of violent images on one's mind. The fact that this video clip is occurring at a constant sound beat and motion, and it is paired with a numeric value, I'm interested in the idea of this image becoming less and less hard to look at with every second that passes, due to the hypnotic rhythm that exists within the site."
"Paired with that, I wanted to point out how America seems to be so obsessed with large numbers... That is why I put a counter in the top left corner... I'm essentially conducting an experiment, as i am curious as to whether people will begin to lose their focus on how brutal the image is and begin to become obsessed with the number's growth."
This is from http://www.gamepolitics.com/, a really cool and awsome website for me. I dont know about the rest of you.
PS: Thanks Malstrom for the free advertising! I need money!
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SwiftSpear
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Shock humorists enjoy religious topics because people feel strongly about them... They get more of a reaction. Just until now the muslim market was largely untapped because most shock humorists are westerners and thus are more strongly aquinted with christian methodology. Christians have been targetted by shock humor attacks far worse then "pissed christ", and now that the muslims have shown that they can be just as mindlessly offended by small things they are going to get it just as bad. Really, the only way to describe comunication these days is... "LOL INTERNET!"smoth wrote:my muslim friends are not up in arms about it... frankly they see it objectively. It is more an act of ignorance, while also in bad taste.
The art community always has a propensity for doing asinine things "avaunt guarde" I believe is the term they liked to use.
As far as the christiains getting pissed.. look up the peice "pissed christ" Some wanker pissed in a jar, dropped a crucifix in in and photographed it gaining scorn and renown. I can honestly tell you, yeah the NOTION of it pisses me off.. but only because that isn't art it is just being a dick. I hate HATE HATE hack artists.
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el_muchacho
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SwiftSpear
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Good Lord... I understand that muslims would be upset if muslims were drawing pictures of muhammad, but it isn't like they roam around randomly killing athiests. When will the understand that Muslim law applies to MUSLIMS, not to everyone else. Hell, I'd be pretty raged right now if I didn't understand that christian law is for christians and not for those who don't choose to follow.Zoombie wrote:Oh and did anyone hear about the Musilim cleric who hjas declared abounty on teh cartoonist?
Call Bobba Fett!
(here's to nuance ! *raises glass*)
One reason that we (that is, danes) are so loathe do apologize and do the whole "not-satire" thing is because we're born and raised on satire, irony and other humorous (and not so humorous) uses of said concepts. You'll be hard pressed to find a dane, ANYWHERE, who does not think atleast a little bit like a bastard. You'll find elements of satire in our ads, our commercials, our news, our media, everday speech and conversation, basically everywhere in danish culture.
It's sort of like our national treasure. I can understand that the muslims are pissed about this, but they're just getting what almost every other major religion has been dealing with for literally centuries.
I just wish that the extremists would shut the fuck up. They're so ... depressing. : (
One reason that we (that is, danes) are so loathe do apologize and do the whole "not-satire" thing is because we're born and raised on satire, irony and other humorous (and not so humorous) uses of said concepts. You'll be hard pressed to find a dane, ANYWHERE, who does not think atleast a little bit like a bastard. You'll find elements of satire in our ads, our commercials, our news, our media, everday speech and conversation, basically everywhere in danish culture.
It's sort of like our national treasure. I can understand that the muslims are pissed about this, but they're just getting what almost every other major religion has been dealing with for literally centuries.
I just wish that the extremists would shut the fuck up. They're so ... depressing. : (
