PauloMorfeo wrote:I live in London now...
A 24 hour check-in and literally always-online (in the sense that you actually have to be connected to be even in mid play) are entirely different things. A 24 hour checkin just requires internet connection of any kind once a day, better yet, the Steam model, where you just have to log in once.
On the note of literally always-online DRM, I will say that I did feel your pain and the pain of smoth and the others who don't live in highly populated areas that have reliable internet. While I currently live in an area that has essentially 100% reliable internet, I spent a year in the mountains of New Mexico where my net would occasionally (say twice a month or so) cut out for a while. But, the future rapidly approaches! And, sooner or later, everything will be online as virtually everyone has access to stable enough internet to make it viable. We're already at the point where companies (Microsoft) see a large enough clientbase who do have the required internet to make a move in that direction. It may leave some people out (military, extremely rural, apparently southern America, and third worlders) but, companies go where the money is. And the money is in the internet.
Jump on board the technology train! Woo!
Also, does no one here play multiplayer games? If the most successful (albeit shit) games like CoD are basically just multiplayer games with a shitty singleplayer experience, and that many people play it, I think it stands to reason that a great great deal of people (most gamers) have reliable internet. What about MMOs? What about League of Legends? These games are massive. I don't understand why people keep responding to the idea with their own specific example of having shitty internet.
PauloMorfeo wrote:It is completely and utterly reasonable to be disgruntled...
We can't demand the games...
I find wildely odd Mr. Bob's stance...
Of course it's reasonable to be disgruntled, or, more accurately, unsatisfied with a product. What isn't reasonable, is to pull morality into play. People tend to throw around words like "selfish consumers" or "big evil companies" with this topic. That's what's ridiculous.
If you don't like a product, then don't buy it. DRM is part of the product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If enough people don't like products that include DRM, they'll stop buying it and profits won't be made, thus DRM will either be dropped or changed to meet what people want.
Also, nostalgia (which I don't think you're using, I'm just making a general statement) doesn't help here. A lot of people tend to enter the argument with the idea that their experiences as a child somehow weigh into what people should experience today. If you think "the old days were better" that's fine, but your fond memories aren't exactly admissible, if you're using those in the face of a large amount of people who don't particularly have any problems with new changes.
What happens is we polarize everything. We end up with the "old school" camp, which, of course, in our minds, is full of the exact same ideas that we think were championed from an old era, and "the new kids." We get mad at "the new kids" for liking things we don't, so we act superior by assuming that everyone who doesn't agree has simply never experience the "joy" of whatever system was in place in your youth. Its like Ludditism with a bandwagon, and its not something I'd consider in an argument or even entertain.
PauloMorfeo wrote:Which I find totally unfair...
which you did not agree to when you bought it!?
Is it unfair or is it a bad bargain? When you buy a disc for a game, you're buying a physical vessel for software. That software can be anything they want it to be, and if you don't like what it is, then don't buy the vessel or the software. If you don't think that this is the way it should work, stop buying games.
On the note of "what you agree to," when you buy a game, you're technically agreeing to buy a physical little disc that can have any software or no software. You can make educated guesses as to what the software will be, but you're still just buying a physical disc.
Now, if you're going to buy software directly, then you are deciding to buy or not buy it under terms that they outline. Sellers have the right to sell products under any terms they want (no matter how small the print.) Its not about fairness, its about wether or not its a good deal. If you don't think its a good deal, then just don't agree to their terms and don't buy the software.
I have the right to offer you my shirt for $5 and the agreement that I can take your entire house, car, and all of your other clothing at any time I want. I have the right to offer that. If you don't like that deal, you obviously won't agree to it. You don't have the right to get an offer you want. Sellers sell what they want, how they want, and buyers buy what they want, and vote with their wallets. (Capitalism.)
If you want a deal that states that you get A) a physical disc that includes an installer for content that B) you have the complete ownership over, then you should just stop buying into other deals and ask for that deal instead. You may be disappointed, as the vast majority of consumers don't seem to mind, but c'est la vie.
I ENJOY MAKING LARGE WALLS OF TEXT.
(If anyone wants me to stop, just tell me. I enjoy these sorts of things a lot, though. I'm one of those weird people who gets adrenaline rushes from arguing.)
. According to my neurologist, both my logic/cognition will be of for a while making conversation and though difficult right now. Interestingly enough she also told me I cannot sign any legal document right now or about a week afterwards because it can be argued in court that I wasn't in my right mind at the time of signing. LOL, ok. I guess I could see that, hurting for 2 weeks+ straight could block one's though process. I cannot even code right now because I cannot think straight, which is why much to my frustration NOTHING has been done on my project for that whole period of time. Just typing was a struggle for the first half of the week so I apologize, I was honestly just trying to speak an alternative view to you.
