- design it like the iphone by making decisions for the end user
- one menu system, no more f11, ship it with default maps for BA and change http://www.springrts.com into a site that isn't impossible for both noobs and vets... (it looks like a site full of spyware even after using it all this time)
why aren't maps included on this site and instead a 3rd party site? And mods? I click on download and it says ''download spring engine''. Wtf is that? Why not get rid of the technical terms and make it a downloadable game. I am still confused as to the difference between the engine, the client, and the mods.
Noobs don't know the difference between portable and installer either. Everyone has high speed and is downloading it for the same reason. Make it easier please.
I've been noticing the player count in spring drop rapidly over the past year and a bit and at the same time a multitude of 3rd party plugins have come to spring that often conflict with each other if switched on... hit f11 and find out.
The adv player list should be default, and the one presently being used discarded. The visualizations accompanying the mouse overs should be trashed.
But probably the worst problem with spring is the map and mod system. The option to have all the common BA maps should be removed and it should be automatic... people don't know initially how big of a headache it will be.
Maybe not all of these are problems but these are problems I experienced within the last few weeks of installing a new HDD and fresh spring install. Maybe its a result of having 30 people in charge of a single software package instead of putting Steve Jobs in charge :)
edit: why not change the site heading from ''spring engine'' to ''spring''
how to fix spring
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Re: how to fix spring
lol
spring != BA;
spring != game;
Care to revise your post?
Spring is an engine that runs many games.
BA is half assed and doesn't have an installer that is why you have to download ba, spring and the ba maps(lol dsd) separate from one another. That isn't springs fault. Many other games that use the engine have their own installers.. etc.. It is all repost of a repost of a repost answer and I am so damn tired of posting this crap over and over again.
spring != BA;
spring != game;
Care to revise your post?
Spring is an engine that runs many games.
BA is half assed and doesn't have an installer that is why you have to download ba, spring and the ba maps(lol dsd) separate from one another. That isn't springs fault. Many other games that use the engine have their own installers.. etc.. It is all repost of a repost of a repost answer and I am so damn tired of posting this crap over and over again.
Re: how to fix spring
let me revise your post, spring is BA and without BA it will die.
Re: how to fix spring
Just once I want to get into one of these threads and read something along the line of "and see what I've already done towards it besides talking".
Re: how to fix spring
seems to me its not a work thing as in it wouldn't take much time to make simple decisions that would make it all easier.
More I think about it the more I realize Spring is nothing more than a power monopoly grab where everyone wants their mod to be #1 so the whole thing just drops off. No agreement on features, no streamlining at all, just a very butchered install.
attitude seems like ''if MY mod doesn't succeed, the whole game should be shut down''
More I think about it the more I realize Spring is nothing more than a power monopoly grab where everyone wants their mod to be #1 so the whole thing just drops off. No agreement on features, no streamlining at all, just a very butchered install.
attitude seems like ''if MY mod doesn't succeed, the whole game should be shut down''
Re: how to fix spring
Ok children.
1.) OP is offtopic. The topic clearly states "How to fix Spring" but the original post offers no concrete suggestions on how to actually make this happen, much less what is wrong with spring in the first place.
2.) I fail to see how Steve Jobs has anything to do with this
3.)
4.) This is the spring ENGINE site, not the spring games or spring maps site. However, there are many links to the aforementioned... They aren't very hard to find.
5.) Not everyone has high speed, not everyone is downloading it for the same reason. Flashing your blatant ignorance is not impressive.
6.) A correlation between supposed drop in number of players and increase in Widgets? Oh no! it must be that more widgets **cause** low player count! death to third party widgets! Forget about the hundreds we've had for years, that have greatly improved gameplay and have been incorporated into many games.
7.) Adv. Playerlist happens to be one of the widgets you mentioned before... hmm. Regardless, it does not fit well with all games. Sure it might be a good fit for BA, but then that is BA's problem, not Spring's. Cursor animations.... (seriously, have you tried *any* other spring game?)
8.) There are no "standard" maps. Popular maps rise and fall and change. But be inconvenienced no longer! there is a torrent where you can get all the standard BA maps (and a few extra bonus ones) here: http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26949
9.) as koshi wisely alluded to... Spring is an open source project where if you think it needs fixing, you don't have to whine to others to get something done, you can fix it yourself :) (Although I'd work on some concrete examples first of all)
1.) OP is offtopic. The topic clearly states "How to fix Spring" but the original post offers no concrete suggestions on how to actually make this happen, much less what is wrong with spring in the first place.
2.) I fail to see how Steve Jobs has anything to do with this
3.)
edit: why not change the site heading from ''spring engine'' to ''spring''
4.) This is the spring ENGINE site, not the spring games or spring maps site. However, there are many links to the aforementioned... They aren't very hard to find.
5.) Not everyone has high speed, not everyone is downloading it for the same reason. Flashing your blatant ignorance is not impressive.
6.) A correlation between supposed drop in number of players and increase in Widgets? Oh no! it must be that more widgets **cause** low player count! death to third party widgets! Forget about the hundreds we've had for years, that have greatly improved gameplay and have been incorporated into many games.
7.) Adv. Playerlist happens to be one of the widgets you mentioned before... hmm. Regardless, it does not fit well with all games. Sure it might be a good fit for BA, but then that is BA's problem, not Spring's. Cursor animations.... (seriously, have you tried *any* other spring game?)
8.) There are no "standard" maps. Popular maps rise and fall and change. But be inconvenienced no longer! there is a torrent where you can get all the standard BA maps (and a few extra bonus ones) here: http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26949
9.) as koshi wisely alluded to... Spring is an open source project where if you think it needs fixing, you don't have to whine to others to get something done, you can fix it yourself :) (Although I'd work on some concrete examples first of all)
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Re: how to fix spring
Oh my XD ofc since everyone is grubbing for power I forgot to plug my favorite game!butcher wrote:seems to me its not a work thing as in it wouldn't take much time to make simple decisions that would make it all easier.
More I think about it the more I realize Spring is nothing more than a power monopoly grab where everyone wants their mod to be #1 so the whole thing just drops off. No agreement on features, no streamlining at all, just a very butchered install.
attitude seems like ''if MY mod doesn't succeed, the whole game should be shut down''
I have to eat dinner now, but if you have any more words of wisdom I'd love to hear them.
Re: how to fix spring
Yeah... good post, kinda confusing though. After working on spring for x number of years, devs forget what its like to be a noob. They forget how much work a simple install is to the hapless end user who has no idea what to click. No one reads readme files, or takes the time to understand what the development community is doing.
They pretty much hear about the game, go to the site, try to figure out which link brings them to the game, and then start a difficult install with lots of options they don't know about.
Considering I've been playing this game for a number of years and still don't know what site to go to, that's a testament to how poorly its run. If I want to discuss strategy for instance and see why I'm sucking, I have to wade through about 3 forum levels to find the one that won't get me warned by a mod for posting in.
Correlation between widgets and player lost = the game is very difficult and the menu system makes it much worse. For no reason at all.
Maybe if you could decide which mod to design it around, one would do the job...
i beg to differ, DSD, altored divide, tabula, and maybe a couple of other maps (emain emacha, folsdom) should be packaged in
but I can see there is a rivalry going on and there is no real point in this conversation anymore.
edit: I want to remind you its not a matter of contributing at this point its a matter of making the right decisions at the top...
They pretty much hear about the game, go to the site, try to figure out which link brings them to the game, and then start a difficult install with lots of options they don't know about.
Considering I've been playing this game for a number of years and still don't know what site to go to, that's a testament to how poorly its run. If I want to discuss strategy for instance and see why I'm sucking, I have to wade through about 3 forum levels to find the one that won't get me warned by a mod for posting in.
Correlation between widgets and player lost = the game is very difficult and the menu system makes it much worse. For no reason at all.
Maybe if you could decide which mod to design it around, one would do the job...
i beg to differ, DSD, altored divide, tabula, and maybe a couple of other maps (emain emacha, folsdom) should be packaged in
but I can see there is a rivalry going on and there is no real point in this conversation anymore.
edit: I want to remind you its not a matter of contributing at this point its a matter of making the right decisions at the top...
Re: how to fix spring
That's your opinion.butcher wrote:t me revise your post, spring is BA and without BA it will die.
ANO RITE?!?koshi wrote:Just once I want to get into one of these threads and read something along the line of "and see what I've already done towards it besides talking".
no it is a work thing and a simple decision. You go make an installer for ba.butcher wrote:seems to me its not a work thing as in it wouldn't take much time to make simple decisions that would make it all easier.'
Um no, I don't want gundam to be number 1 or number 2 don't assume my motives are yours. I make gundam because I want to play it. I don't give two fucks who becomes number 1. Christ are all rts players constantly in a struggle to work out some inferiority complex or what? every time one of you guys busts out with the bullshit that I or others want to tear down ba so our precious mod can be number one.butcher wrote:More I think about it the more I realize Spring is nothing more than a power monopoly grab where everyone wants their mod to be #1 so the whole thing just drops off.
attitude seems like ''if MY mod doesn't succeed, the whole game should be shut down''
go sit in the corner and put on that paper cone hat I made for you.
SPRING IS NOT BA MAKE A BA INSTALLER OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.butcher wrote:No agreement on features, no streamlining at all, just a very butchered install.
Re: how to fix spring
I know my link was put in in a sarcastic manner, but seriously, http://zero-k.info/ is working to be more user friendly.
The spring engine is not going to be centered around a single game. If you think that you're missing the point. Try going to Unreal Engine's website and downloading maps and mods for it. Not going to happen. Spring is not a game. Spring is an Engine.
If you want a one-click installer for a game on the Spring engine try Zero-K, I'm serious, go try it right now (the devs literally made a one-click installer so you don't have to choose *anything* during the install) maps and games are downloaded automatically so you don't have to look for anything.
The spring engine is not going to be centered around a single game. If you think that you're missing the point. Try going to Unreal Engine's website and downloading maps and mods for it. Not going to happen. Spring is not a game. Spring is an Engine.
If you want a one-click installer for a game on the Spring engine try Zero-K, I'm serious, go try it right now (the devs literally made a one-click installer so you don't have to choose *anything* during the install) maps and games are downloaded automatically so you don't have to look for anything.
